i want to buy 2 new monitor speakers...arghh wich ones??

[ampassasinbirmingham]

buy a club powered monitor. cant get more real to life than that?

[FILTERZ]

My mackie 624`s and 400 watt sub do not sound shit they sound amazing
as long as you dont put a shit recording through them,not all studio monitors are supposed to sound shit just honest, no one would suggest putting their decks through ns10`s but other speakers sound chunky as f**k
and if you get good ones they get down lower than most hi fi speakers in terms of bass and low end clarity.Oh and my truths sound nice to.

[DJZeMig_L]

Dare I say that your ears are used to they're sound?

If u compare a resonable Hi-Fi speaker 2 yer monitors, most people will say that the hi-fi sound better (if it can handle the loud levels)... considering that most hifi speakers sound like they've been passed thru an eq with a V shape config, it's understandable that our ears will naturally lik' em more! I mean after a few years of lfe we become lots more sensitive 2 the mid range, kinda like an upside down U, so naturally a linear reprodution sounds harsh 2 us... saying this, I will add that 2 me my monitors sound sweet, but I can remember the time when I got my first nearfields, they sounded like some1 turned on the Loud/ harsh/ Bright button! ;)

No flames really just my humble 2 cents 2 the discussion,


Z

[FILTERZ]

yeah well there is that , but everyone who has played on them at my studio really likes to mix on them although i have to say that its got quite a lot to do with the sub , best thing to do when buying speakers to mix on i suppose is get some you like the sound of as you have got to hear em a lot, Anyway what about some powered Mackie pa speakers ,neighbours will love it :lol:

[DJZeMig_L]

yeah I forgot 2 mention the sub... anyways... out of curiosity, u also use that 2 make yer tracks? got loads of people having massive probs trying 2 get they're system 2 sound revealing and as flat as possible with the subs... most of then surf the over-sweet or the hollow! :(
I gave u on having subs 4 nearfield monitoring (while making music) just on the fact that the nears can b quite a task 2 get used 2 and naturally finding what u need 2 "compensate" / "cut" on account of acustic of the room, placement, etc...

Z

[djvartan]

the Paradigm Mini Monitors! i swear by mine..



http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Site...Monseries.html

[dirty_bass]

for mixing just get a good quality pair of hi-fi speakers. Studio nearfields are too clear and make mixing a little too easy. You will never find monitoring like this in a club.
The amount of bedroom DJ`s with high grade monitors I have had on the rig, when it is loud as **** and they can`t mix at all due to not having that perfect crisp sound.

[Basil Rush]

For some reason when I'm in a club and it's loud as **** with shocking monitoring I find I have no idea what's going on and what I'm hearing yet all the mixes come out ok ... apparently ... god knows how I sure as hell don't ...

[dirty_bass]

For some reason when I'm in a club and it's loud as **** with shocking monitoring I find I have no idea what's going on and what I'm hearing yet all the mixes come out ok ... apparently ... god knows how I sure as hell don't ...

Ah well, the advantage you have in a club/on a loud rig, is that you can feel the beat. You can really feel when the beat is in and when it is out, the thump under your feet changes subtley.

[Metadog]

professor - i totally do not understand how you figure the speakers you will mix thru are gonna get thrashed - why ? can't you control the sound level you send to them ? it's not all that difficult to keep things under control you know !!!
to mix in a club you are gonna have to learn how to control your levels, or risk thrashing the rig so much it blows
of course mixing on a rig is different, it is something you can only learn on the spot, but if you can mix precisely on your fat home studio monitors (definately not NS-10's !) and learn how to tune into different rigs and monitoring systems, then you will have it sorted
you can get away with a lot on a big rig as far as bang on 100% beat matching precision goes, and as has been said you should be able to feel if it is in by the pounding on your body
;)

[DJZeMig_L]

let's not discart the fact that most pa are passed thru compressor/ limiters... so does the monitoring.

I guess there as been a little confusion as 2 what we mean... Of course we all control levels and are very carefull, but if u share the monitors with your studio, then being carefull is just a little more then simple precaution, that one time the u raised the fader 2 fast or u forgot 2 lower the gain, does very simple things that happen every now and then even if u r very carefull can b enoght 2 had up 2 the monitors loosing they're flat response and even eventually break!

SO I guess the case is... should u risk it!


Z

[Metadog]

my reply is yes

:-)

and with a decent pair of speakers that kick out enough volume when they are not turned up to full you should never need to turn them up so much that the speakers get damaged

and i'd much rather listen to the records that i love on a pair of speakers that can actually strongly and clearly reproduce the full range of sounds that the producer put into the track :clap:

a pair of crappy speakers will sound crappy and you will most likely have to turn them up to close to their max level - risking thrashing them

[DJZeMig_L]

Okie,


But what is loud enought? ;)


Crappy speakers... sound bad..... humm kind of depends on yer ear, but I would say that most hi-fi sound relative good... they r made to sound good... not balanced which is a different thing altogheter.

Z

[Metadog]

what is loud enough ?

dunno but at half volume my alesis mk2's push out enough air so that i can feel it moving on my face and that's loud enough for home mixing i reckon, unless anyone really wants to damage their hearing in which case go louder

wether speakers are crappy or not does not depend on yer ear, although i do admit that personal taste can come into it to a small degree

when it comes down to it, crap speakers are not capable of reproducing sound like good speakers are
that is why they are crap and you can get them for two old buttons from a second hand shop

you can prove this by analyzing the relative spectrums

you will be able to see graphically how a good pair will reproduce evenly over a wider spectrum than the crappy pair

[djvartan]

http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/News/news3.html


i swear by my Mini Monitors.

best speakers under $1400 ( WAY UNDER )

[DJZeMig_L]

Just discovered these ... Phonic P8a they sound smoth and do the job... the M-AUdios on the Dj studio @ my shop r out tha door! :)

M-audio r M-Adios! ;)



http://www.phonic.com/html/products/...monitor/p8.htm

They shoul cost ya around 500 euros a pair! very nice indeed!

ASAP I'm gonna take these home and try 2 check how they match up 2 the M1 mk2 actives!

[audioinjection]

I just got the Behringer Truths, they sound really nice and are inexpensive ;)