Adios Final Scratch............

**DJ Corbzy** · 11-03-2004, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

grumblemunta got it right. vinyl appeals to our techno nerdiness. it's something you can collect, which is the essential desire of all nerds.

exactly what i was going to say minus the nerd part.

**SlavikSvensk** · 11-03-2004, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Corbzy

Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

grumblemunta got it right. vinyl appeals to our techno nerdiness. it's something you can collect, which is the essential desire of all nerds.

exactly what i was going to say minus the nerd part.

...we love something most people don't understand, we hoard, we catalog, we argue about it on the internet and we are predominantly male...all classic symptons of nerd-dom.

**davethedrummer** · 11-03-2004, 11:28 PM

final scratch can be a pain to plug and unplug
but i can't see these things being installed in an english club for ages!!!!
also they don't play wavz or aiff yet ( a serious drawback , whats the point in arguing over the sonic supremacy of c.d. when you can only play mp3's?)
i wouldn't like to carry 2 of them around either
also where exactly are you going to get the music to play on them from?????????

no i like records first and foremost and after that i like final scratch purely for playing those new tracks and having a standard peice of equiptment that's portable and feels like vinyl.

there's still a way for us to go yet guys

**DJZeMig_L** · 11-03-2004, 11:44 PM

Dave I think U gotta check Version FS 1.5...

I guess CDs will take vinyl over when it comes 2 "record" shops, I mean a normal "pc" Cd can't hold a stick against comercially produce CDs.. also I wouldn't like 2 carry with me my only copy of a piece of music I like 4 a change! :)

Z

g · 11-03-2004, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Antinoise

And to be honest.. In a regular turntable setup, it would be easier to carry around 2 of these things and plug them into 2 open channels than unplug the house turntables to plug in final scratch. It's stress moving my FS around.

easier than setting up FS. i'll assume that was facetious.

**davethedrummer** · 11-03-2004, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Ze MigL

Dave I think U gotta check Version FS 1.5...

I guess CDs will take vinyl over when it comes 2 "record" shops, I mean a normal "pc" Cd can't hold a stick against comercially produce CDs.. also I wouldn't like 2 carry with me my only copy of a piece of music I like 4 a change! :)

Z

i got it migl (fs 1.5)
its wicked!

**dan the acid man** · 12-03-2004, 12:38 AM

1.5 is a bit good :clap:

**Antinoise** · 12-03-2004, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

..
also where exactly are you going to get the music to play on them from?????????

For FS.. I have almost all my vinyl all ripped down to mp3... and the goal is that I can soon spin an entire set of all self produced (or remixed) tracks.. ... but I know what your hinting at Henry. Copyright is a whole problem that comes with the digital age.....

The solution is a whole other thread in itself.. but my quick idea is if we could at least find a way to imbed an immovable name in every file (i.e. Sold To: Henry Cullen) and a basic web program that would install that name (so each track DavetheDrummer.net sells has a unique "Sold To' name)... that would be a pretty good solution. Then if you see copies floating around owned by Henry Cullen... you could sue your own ass for having a Hydraulics 22 installed on 1000 machines. Its not really copy protection.. but it would center responsibility which is a good deterrent. The possible upside is being able to sell tracks from the web under the Apple model for a buck each with no real overhead.

**Antinoise** · 12-03-2004, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by davethedrummer

....also they don't play wavz or aiff yet (a serious drawback , whats the point in arguing over the sonic supremacy of c.d. when you can only play mp3's?)...

.....i wouldn't like to carry 2 of them around either

They play regular audio cd's which is wav/aiff equivalent. (up to 44khz-16bit)..

My quote about carrying two of these was a bit of a joke and more of a reaction of some nightmare situations of trying to set up FS in a preset club situation. I've had my FS for well over a year and its getting more troublesome as time goes on (not calibrating and such issues). Maybe I need new cables.

To switch sides here for a sec..(cuz hey.. I do love my FS)... With FS jumping to windows it does open the opportunity of using the full Trackor interface and having VST support down the road which would be f***in killer!!!

**spiralx** · 12-03-2004, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Antinoise

For FS.. I have almost all my vinyl all ripped down to mp3... and the goal is that I can soon spin an entire set of all self produced (or remixed) tracks.. ... but I know what your hinting at Henry. Copyright is a whole problem that comes with the digital age.....

Surely his point was then that then you're still subject to the limitations of vinyl as well as the limitations of MP3.

**Willy_Wonka** · 12-03-2004, 06:37 PM

How can you say FS is the workaround and then hail a CD deck that has a spinning platter...

Assuming that vinyl's days are numbered (which I'm not) then its the bloody DJs that are the 'workaround'. I mean why else would you have a CD deck with spinning platter on top of it... Come on take a step back and think about it - its preposterous - this is technology catering from an old legacy user interface - namely 'the decks'...

Once a new generation of digital djs emerge, the idea of having a couple of spinning plates will be seen as ridiculous as not having midi...

I mean why bother with this or FS, you gotta laptop - get a copy of Ableton live and midi control box and hey presto - god know I've heard enough so called live sets that are nothing more than a bunch of loops triggered in Ableton - that's practically mixing records any way...

**DJZeMig_L** · 12-03-2004, 09:01 PM

until proven contrary the decks are the best physical interface for music...

but there are some new gadgets comin out that in time might change the way we think... I don't think ableton like prog is the way but that's jus me!

check this

http://europe.hercules.com/showpage.php?p=87&f=1&b=0

Z

**Larney** · 12-03-2004, 09:19 PM

I don't think ableton like prog is the way but that's jus me!

Why not?

**DJZeMig_L** · 13-03-2004, 03:34 PM

I like "trying" 2 beatmatch... I like the feeling that I am building music with a djs mind...

Ableton is more like producing and djing 2 me....

Like I said maybe I'm 2 oldfashioned! :(

Z

**Willy_Wonka** · 14-03-2004, 01:09 AM

Hmmm - I still stand by my original argument - the spinning platter is a legacy interface. But then I'm thinking Ableton like apps aren't the answer either (it was only a suggestion anyway - not a solution).

So then I'm thinking that perhaps the spinning platter is a good interface - as its movement does a really good job of transmitting the idea of time moving - music playing etc - so maybe the spinning platter is here to stay... Wondering what else could use it - if you accept that the spinning platter just represents passage of time...

**romelpotter** · 14-03-2004, 01:27 PM

thats a good point z, i guess as a dj you have to be able to adapt, if 90 % of the clubs use these technics cd mixer thingy's then thats what your gonna have to do. the security aspect of it as well ie if your set gets nicked then its no loss rearly just burn off another cd, now that does appeal to me. you could almost make disposable sets. And you can still collect the records. i would rather pay £30 for a rare record, have it and then burn a mp3 copy as aposed to downloading a mp3 copy from the net, but i guess thats a personal thing. imp cd mixing - no - but i am slowly coming round to the idea if they are performing as well as technic record decks.

**romelpotter** · 14-03-2004, 01:29 PM

that post is out of place, god dam sunday mornings

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