Adios Final Scratch............

[Antinoise]

Final scratch was merly a stop on the way to the top.. And here is the summit
click--->LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!......technics

[Si the Sigh]

:love:

[miromiric.]

this is interesting, but do keep in mind that the default set-up in all the clubs in the world is 3 technics mk2s. dj just takes his FS and a laptop. you certainly wont take youir decks with you.

[grumblemunta]

it doesnt support high bitrate mp3s either, which makes it unsuitable for mp3 playback on large soundsystems, where the poor quality of lower bitrate mp3s is easily discernable.

final scratch is a much better technology, IMO. it is software, and so can be constantly upgraded. The latest version is windows compatable, and supports time stretching, so the original pitch of the tune is preserved, whatever the playback speed.

[Antinoise]

Lets be real.. The default is going to quickly change..... this is the s**t..

And to be honest.. In a regular turntable setup, it would be easier to carry around 2 of these things and plug them into 2 open channels than unplug the house turntables to plug in final scratch. It's stress moving my FS around.

[StoQ]

tecs mk2 rule. i don't know why but like it:)

[grumblemunta]

Lets be real.. The default is going to quickly change..... this is the s**t..

na. djs love vinyl, there is no way that the majority will switch to a what is basically a CD deck, not for all the tea in China.

[Antinoise]

it doesnt support high bitrate mp3s either, which makes it unsuitable for mp3 playback on large soundsystems, where the poor quality of lower bitrate mp3s is easily discernable.

If you think that anything over 192 will be noticeable over a large sound system then your kidding yourself. I barley (and I stress barley) notice a difference in a 192mp3 and a WAV on my studio Genelecs. We are coming from a world of 15 years off crappy pressed vinyl... any of this digital technology will be sparkling to the speakers.

And this has pitch locking like FS...
HERE ARE SOME SPECS
Seamless, instant cueing with four cue pads and memory for 10 cue...
Variable-range (+8 to +50)....
Pitch Lock (the ability to change the tempo without changing pitch).....
"Reverse-Forward" mode.....
Sample pads......
Dynamic effects




FS is a work around solution.. It's a temporary fix that will soon be laughed at. Permanent solutions are on the way!..

na. djs love vinyl, there is no way that the majority will switch to a what is basically a CD deck, not for all the tea in China.

A few of the big name DJ start demanding these and watch the band-wagons fill up.. Anyone that thinks these won't eventually catch on is in denial..

[grumblemunta]

A few of the big name DJ start demanding these and watch the band-wagons fill up.. Anyone that thinks these won't eventually catch on is in denial..

we shall see. people have been predicting the imminent demise of vinyl for some decades now, and they have all been very wrong so far. just as analogue synths have not been replaced by more modern digital products, despite manufacturers endlessly hyping their supposed advantages, digital decks have been very slow to replace technics, despite being promoted as the next big thing.

cast your mind back to when the Pioneer CDJs first came out. The word was out that here, finally, was the technic beater. now they are relegated to a few niche markets, like psy trance mixing, and im willing to bet the latest attempt at a digital turntable will go the same way.

Final scratch has a shitloads more success at penetrating the market, coz it looks and feels the same as mixing proper vinyl, the new technics simply cant offer this unique advantage.

[DJZeMig_L]

This could b the thing as most people think Technics = Standard = quality... but I've seen my share of gadgets and I must say that they're realllllllly haveing some probs with the software for this... the release date has been postponed about 4 times, Also the fact that it's a technics doesn't mean they'll b good... although we all hope they are. Technics are new 2 the CDJ markett, and a lot can go wrong... right now the best imho are the denon S3000 which have the closer feel 2 vinil, but have a small platter that is slightly slugish... I haven't seen the Numark (which I always suspect :dontevengothere: ) but they're new CD1-x looks like it could take this technics 4 a ride any day!

Z

[dJpZ]

You should say, adios production.

I wonder what u will encode in the future if the mp3 diffusion continues like that...

[Antinoise]

...just as analogue synths have not been replaced by more modern digital products...

Analogue/digital synthesis is not comparable to analogue/digital playback. Lets face it .. All playback is digital at the end of any process..(DAT, wav... whatever before gets relayed on vinyl).

cast your mind back to when the Pioneer CDJs first came out. The word was out that here, finally, was the technic beater. now they are relegated to a few niche markets...

The reasons Pioneers have not taken the market are that they are a first pass technology... mainly missing the spinning platter which makes it a lesser beast... but also no mp3 support.... etc

And fact of the matter is.. this product already has one big name endorsing it.. His name is "TECHNICS"!! I don’t want to debate this.. I see the sun coming over the horizon and its unstoppable.. The question is how long before its 12:00.

[Antinoise]

This could b the thing as most people think Technics = Standard = quality... but I've seen my share of gadgets and I must say that they're realllllllly haveing some probs with the software for this.....

Your right there.. My arguments are for what's on paper.. If they don't live up to the standards.. then they are doomed to fail. Personally I think they have pushed the date because they know they have to get it right the first time.

[SlavikSvensk]

grumblemunta got it right. vinyl appeals to our techno nerdiness. it's something you can collect, which is the essential desire of all nerds.

[DJZeMig_L]

I for one will Diss my 12" for djing the minute all clubs have 3 CDJ that have a similar response to decks... I will buy vinyl, record, edit7 remix is needed then play the cd... Traveling with a niffty, small, weightless handbag will b my game. No more praying 4 the records 2 arrive and travelling with another 1 on board with 15 kg at less, still always praying they will let u take it with ya!!...
Plus If my bag get's stollen (which will b harder cause all my set will travel with me) It's a mater of re-recording all the shi*!

I welcome the revolution with open arms...

The release date has been postponed due 2 probs with the unit. technics will only release it when it's really up to scratch (I hope) still that doesn't mean it will operate just as we hope...

By all means the s3000 should b "almost" just perfect but not everyone has jumped on the wagon!

Z

[grumblemunta]

[quote="Antinoise"]

I don’t want to debate this.. .

hehe, well thats clever, innit, post something contraversial up on a discussion forum, and then try to rule out any debate on the subject.

face it, if you on on any djing forum, and argue that the latest cd deck is about to replace the 1210, you are going to get more than a few people disagreeing with you.

[jonnyspeed]

I disagree. Mr Munta was giving an opinion and this does not constritute a discussion.

[dirty_bass]

lets face it, vinyl IS going to die out for sure. The amount of alternative technology is mounting up.

Vinyl is crap anyway. Yeah it feels nice and it is easy to manimulate, but as a recording medium it is shite. Poor frequency response in comparison to cd, or digital data medium.
It`s too expensive to make, and in these cautious times for any record label, I`m sure all us label owners will prefer the benefits of CD in the end.

although piracy is the big downside to all this.

As followers of techno (technology) we should be embracing new technology.

[Antinoise]

Well said Dirty_B and MigL....... :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Antinoise]

I don’t want to debate this.. .

hehe, well thats clever, innit, post something contraversial up on a discussion forum, and then try to rule out any debate on the subject.

face it, if you on on any djing forum, and argue that the latest cd deck is about to replace the 1210, you are going to get more than a few people disagreeing with you.

Ok then.. Ill gladly put my debate cap on...... :lol: