this has made very interesting reading indeed.

techno does NOT need saving in my book and that wasn't the reason why i asked the question. i love the 2 bar loopy stuff and i love the innovative stuff. as long as it's not formulated manufactured crap at least it's all sort of staying within the 'general' techno genre. the beauty of techno and one of it's strongest plus points is that ppl can get on board through the different strains and then they find out a whole lot more. :clap:

anyway. rant over hehehe. what also makes techno so good is that it is constantly going forward. i'm adamant about this. and that's why this is a very important question. it's not about getting rid of other forms of techno, it's not about doing it because you feel you have to it's about doing it because you want to. because that's what is so interesting about this music over the last 20 years. at one time it was a simple case of saying 'wow i've never heard that 'sound' before' but now it's so much more than that. it's like you want to say 'wow i've never heard that 'style' of techno before'.

so what is that 'style'? what r you looking for in that 'style'? some of you have explained this well but i can't help some of you are just saying 'bah humbug there's so much crap out there and that is what needs to stop'. no it doesn't. it's an important part of the picture. you just have to be one step ahead ;) what is your step ahead? ????

i know what mine is. but i have different views on techno that i want to 'listen' to and techno i want to dance to. for listening i want 0 formulas. i want something that crosses the realms of autechre with dark dark techno. for the dancefloor i want something that crosses dark techno with the hard stuff but with the energy and less of the reverbed sounds that so much dark techno is using. it's hard to describe but it's the way chrissi and i want to go with our sound. but it's tough and takes alot of dedication to do something different. read that autechre interview and you'll see what level you have to be on to break formulas.

but is this really the future or am i kidding myself? fernando has a nice point about melody. but these days you put melody on techno and it becomes tech-trance. mind you fern, you are making some lovely techno at the mo that is really different.

let's lay off the slagging about crap techno and really try to home in on what is going to make good innovative techno music eh?!?!!!!! ;)