Hard techno's shooting itself!

[massplanck]

what shadyness?
Take a look around the BA board. All is good. Its the people who arent really into techno/etc who tend to act shady .

But we are talking about the industry side of techno and the dealings that occur, not the Boa Board

But every aspect of the industry is represented on this board in some shape or form no? Just deal with the personalities here.

[The Overfiend]

I like that your debating this Planck.
So tell me what will you do for this music,
how much do you love it?

[massplanck]

I like that your debating this Planck.
So tell me what will you do for this music,
how much do you love it?

Listen I love it enough to have dumped my fiance because of it. Beat that!


I dunno sam. I thought the main point of this thread was people complaining babout the lack of good quality techno arpound. I disagree .. its there. But alot of it has been released over ther last few years and is waiting to be unearthed.

2. Then Someone mentioned gucci shades and ponytails and said stop blaming the artists for the ****ed up industry.

I think they meant to say that they got ripped off by a few hundred quid and are disgruntled. I meet very few arseholes in the techno scene and any arseholes I do meet could never really be called techno heads or whatever.

You are just pissed off with commericalism in general and the bullshit it brings methinks. And arseholes. Whatever music they are into.

[Jimfish]

techno is i suppose anti-commercial in a sense but people still have to make some money out of it.. where are all those studio gadjets supposed to come from let alone paying the rent and feeding urself..

i think the lack of money in techno is more damaging. Everyone is just twiddling about on pcs with pirated software.. nobody can afford to work in a different way which is sad.. and with regards to contracts and the business side, not many people bother with them at the mo not least because there is no money to get fu*ked out of anyways..

it could go either way. the fact that there is no money could mean the majority says "**** it", totally ignores the financial side and concerns themself purely with the music and subsidises it some other way or more and more people will try to emulate the sounds that do still sell ok.

at the end of the day for me im sure if i could make good money from it i would have a phat studio with all the daddy toys to experiment with and id be sitting here devoting all my time to it and thus getting better and better very quickly. that to me sounds healthy.

[massplanck]

techno is i suppose anti-commercial in a sense but people still have to make some money out of it.. where are all those studio gadjets supposed to come from let alone paying the rent and feeding urself..

i think the lack of money in techno is more damaging. Everyone is just twiddling about on pcs with pirated software.. nobody can afford to work in a different way which is sad.. and with regards to contracts and the business side, not many people bother with them at the mo not least because there is no money to get fu*ked out of anyways..

it could go either way. the fact that there is no money could mean the majority says "**** it", totally ignores the financial side and concerns themself purely with the music and subsidises it some other way or more and more people will try to emulate the sounds that do still sell ok.

at the end of the day for me im sure if i could make good money from it i would have a phat studio with all the daddy toys to experiment with and id be sitting here devoting all my time to it and thus getting better and better very quickly. that to me sounds healthy.

:clap:

Its like rock-climbing/stamp collecting/ etc.

I nerdy hobby which we'll make **** all money from.

But we just love doing it. And thats why we do it.

[crime]

the recent losses in techno

Why losses? when all the labels worth their salt got picked up by other distributors? to be honest, this shake up of distributors going down has shifted the power balance, and given people who didn't have that chance before to break through.. Lets face it, Just has pretty much filled the shoes of Prime, and other distributors, such as Veto, and Blackhole, have probably aquired more business through this happenning.. Companies spring up and companies go under, it's just the way it is.. people obviously lose out here and there, and an equal amount benefit..

It's good to have a shake up, have things change around, admittedly people have fallen foul, but it's business, I'm not saying it's right, but the whole of the music business, and business in general is dog eat dog, and you have to have everything stitched up. It's just the way it is...

[crime]

at the end of the day for me im sure if i could make good money from it i would have a phat studio with all the daddy toys to experiment with and id be sitting here devoting all my time to it and thus getting better and better very quickly. that to me sounds healthy.

Speaking from experience, I think the only way to get anywhere in this thing is to devote all your time, energy and money into just doing it... Things don't just happen if you sit there waiting for them...

[Jimfish]

well yes..

[Sunil]

I dunno sam. I thought the main point of this thread was people complaining babout the lack of good quality techno arpound. I disagree .. its there. But alot of it has been released over ther last few years and is waiting to be unearthed.
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It was about the lack of quality hard techno . The point I originally made was that harder techno has lost a lot of people's interest to the point that they aren't even listening or checking it out.. we are talking about records being released at the moment, and to my mind a whole lot of 4/4 hard techno that's out there sounds so stale at the minute. All it takes are a few records or a few producers to really make their mark again so we'll see what happens. I dunno maybe it's just me, I'm just getting more choosy about records these days, but at the same time I'm getting records both new and old that are still sounding good so it ain't that bad :)

[The Overfiend]

I like that your debating this Planck.
So tell me what will you do for this music,
how much do you love it?

Listen I love it enough to have dumped my fiance because of it. Beat that!


I dunno sam. I thought the main point of this thread was people complaining babout the lack of good quality techno arpound. I disagree .. its there. But alot of it has been released over ther last few years and is waiting to be unearthed.

2. Then Someone mentioned gucci shades and ponytails and said stop blaming the artists for the **** up industry.

I think they meant to say that they got ripped off by a few hundred quid and are disgruntled. I meet very few arseholes in the techno scene and any arseholes I do meet could never really be called techno heads or whatever.

You are just pissed off with commericalism in general and the bullshit it brings methinks. And arseholes. Whatever music they are into.

I didn't say anything about me being ripped off.
I would also like to know where this shambala of a techno scene of nice people you have encountered is located.
Also why would me out of all people have anything against commercialism?
I live in the capitalist capital of the world, if you gave me 10,000 to remix mc hammer I would do it. But believe 5,000 of that will go towards equip and starting another label.

[The Overfiend]

the recent losses in techno

Why losses? when all the labels worth their salt got picked up by other distributors? to be honest, this shake up of distributors going down has shifted the power balance, and given people who didn't have that chance before to break through.. Lets face it, Just has pretty much filled the shoes of Prime, and other distributors, such as Veto, and Blackhole, have probably aquired more business through this happenning.. Companies spring up and companies go under, it's just the way it is.. people obviously lose out here and there, and an equal amount benefit..

It's good to have a shake up, have things change around, admittedly people have fallen foul, but it's business, I'm not saying it's right, but the whole of the music business, and business in general is dog eat dog, and you have to have everything stitched up. It's just the way it is...

Very Very True and I am not disagreeing with you but there are losses in the sense that I am talking about the lil guy. Who may have not been picked up by other distribs. Other wise I agree with your point. my point is after this shake up who is going to step up and try to do things right with a fair business sense, and an actual love for the music and a sound mind to handle the biz in a fair and just manner.

[The Divide]

I feed off the bullshit and actually grow stronger from it.

Yea, avoid the bullshitters.

Listen I love it enough to have dumped my fiance because of it. Beat that!

Yea man, Ive run up about 2G of debt in the last year just so I can spend more time in the studio doing the thing I love and I feel its done me good. This is to come to an end soon tho. I cant afford to carry on living this way, as Jim said the lack of funds is damaging. I will have to stop spending time in the studio to work part time at tesco's (or whatever) whilst studing for my degree. Cant see me been able to buy anymore new kit too when the loan runs out.

As you said techno will always be there in some shame or form, I will be making techno for as long as I have the spare time to do it and enough food on the table to feed the wife and 9 kids :lol:

Why do we put up with bullshit tho? Sure the E induced honeymoon period is over but that doesnt mean people should be undercutting each other. I dont claim to be ‘in the know’ but I do think the scene is shrinking and I dont really see it as all bad. Less greed and corporate thinking and more networking between the people sharing the same interests and passions. At the end of the day, those people will survive as they will be one step ahead of the ones out there for the dough. I know if I feel any kind of distrust between people I have to deal with I wont work with them, its a survival thing. My sympathies go out to artists who get ripped. Although I havnt had this experiance myself ;) . Yea sure, we aren’t in this game for the money. But what happens when you cant afford to spend time in the studio to get your head down. Dont you think that would feel a little bit disheartening? Is honesty too much to ask for these days?

I personally believe in networking with the good people out there who are in this game for the right reasons, not there own back pocket. People you can call friends and not business associates

I wouldnt go as far as saying this is the reason for hard techno for shooting itself tho. Just following whats been posted on the thread and adding my 2 cents. Its a problem within the music biz in general. I just dont see why it has to be this way within a scene thats sooo non comercial

[The Overfiend]

Is honesty too much to ask for these days?

Pre f*cking Cisely!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sunil]

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But other than that who knows, maybe techno emphasises frequencies that attract shadyfolk?

I dunno maybe its coz were Irish that we dont have this problem over here.


I'm opting out. We have it all too nicey nicey in Leprechaun Land.

There's shady people everywhere, and I wouldn't say Ireland hasn't had its fair share or dodgy figures in the dance scene. We're too small a country and too out of the way geographically to have a distribution company but that's not to say that there haven't been labels here that have lost their bollocks or been ripped off, there have... but hey 200 people lost their job in a factory somewhere today, that's business and that's the way it goes. The distribution mess has ****ed a lot of labels over but that was down to a relatively small amount of bad businessmen and dishonourable people, not to mention plain bad luck; it's also worth adding that there have been a fair amount of companies that have stayed afloat and not messed their people around. Presumably lessons have been learnt though, and lets hope the industry can even itself off a bit to make it worth everyone's while.

[massplanck]

[quote="Sunil"]

There's shady people everywhere, and I wouldn't say Ireland hasn't had its fair share or dodgy figures in the dance scene. [quote]

never said that.

& I wasnt being all twee neither.

ii'll go get me crock o gold.

[The Overfiend]

Plancks lucky charms are magically delicious.

[Dustin Zahn]

I agree. The lack of proper professionalism in this industry is ****ing HORRIBLE. The only reason the "scene" is so stale is because:

A) the excess of producers have no clue and/or direction of what they're doing.
B) they don't understand the long term effect on in the industry when they release shitty records.
C) most labels and distributors are about as professional as an 8 year old's lemonade stand (don't know if you cats have those in Europe).

Basically, you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find people who actually carry out proper business ettiqute (sp?) in this industry. Pile on a bunch of crappy records that are cool for about a week and the result is a cess pool of cliche dance music.

[crime]

Very Very True and I am not disagreeing with you but there are losses in the sense that I am talking about the lil guy. Who may have not been picked up by other distribs.

the only way you'll end up with no distribution deal is if you were on a P+D deal (Press and distribution), which to be honest, is asking for trouble, you don't own your own label in real terms, and you have no option to take it to another distributor should the one you're dealing with go down.
I've found, that when you're spending your own money on pressing records, you're a damn site more carefull on what you put out, and you'll have a bit more of a plan of what will sell and what won't..
Sorry, but don't have much sympathy for people whinging that were on P+D deals, you stuck yourself in the fire, stick your money where your mouth is....

[gunjack]

[massplanck]

Plancks lucky charms are magically delicious.

Would you believe you cant even buy them over here? :lol: