Phil Kieran

[Col]

"Flying Without Wings" the Hellfish rmx ??

:lol: hahahaha.... ;)

[Capone]

What the **** difference does the track title make??? If it's a shite title, you ain't even gonna listen to it, is that it????? Crock of shit, mate.

[The Overfiend]

All of my a sides will be called ass
and the b sides titties.

Who gives a crock about the title.
I mean pronounce a Umek title regardless of the title it'ss still prob s..........

[MARKEG]

I don't like alot of Phil Kieren's tracks - they lack the 'attitude' which I look for it techno. But he does make a form of techno and I'm not about to go and diss him because he hangs around with Fergie or because he's using the money making machine that is Radio 1 to promote his records.

I've learnt alot from this forum over the last few years and it stems from the initial concept (which loads of you have loved about this place). Why slag ppl off you don't know?

If you don't know them, you don't know there reasons for doing something. Has it occured to some ppl that Phil Kieran might actually not be sucking Fergies dick, he might have known him for years, he might be friendly with all these non-techno guys because he's been playing at a gig with them, gone back to hotel room, drunk 15 crates of stella and actually really enjoyed their company??????????????????? I mean should we all start not speaking to people because they're into different music than us?????

Col, I respect your passion in this and you're love for music, correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing I've realised over the years is that there's a whole world out there that is not so 'underground' and 'perfect' as you'd like it to be. Take the glasses off. You CAN keep the ethos of pushing music forward by dipping into the odd Radio 1 show to sell a few more copies but just DONT make your objectives money orientated. Certain ppl cross the line and they loose credibility and direction. Others dont. I suppose it's like walking on a fence. As long as you keep you're morals you can't go far wrong. Who are we to judge Phil Kieran's morals in this?

I suppose the speakers do the talking :)

[Col]

What the **** difference does the track title make??? If it's a shite title, you ain't even gonna listen to it, is that it????? Crock of shit, mate.

i think you missed my response to my initial comment.

here it is again:

"again your right. no track title would ever stop me from listening to a particular track. (even if the title of every track from a particular producer(no names mentioned) sounded like it was randomly picked from a westlife album)"

[Col]

I don't like alot of Phil Kieren's tracks - they lack the 'attitude' which I look for it techno. But he does make a form of techno and I'm not about to go and diss him because he hangs around with Fergie or because he's using the money making machine that is Radio 1 to promote his records.

I've learnt alot from this forum over the last few years and it stems from the initial concept (which loads of you have loved about this place). Why slag ppl off you don't know?

If you don't know them, you don't know there reasons for doing something. Has it occured to some ppl that Phil Kieran might actually not be sucking Fergies dick, he might have known him for years, he might be friendly with all these non-techno guys because he's been playing at a gig with them, gone back to hotel room, drunk 15 crates of stella and actually really enjoyed their company??????????????????? I mean should we all start not speaking to people because they're into different music than us?????

Col, I respect your passion in this and you're love for music, correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing I've realised over the years is that there's a whole world out there that is not so 'underground' and 'perfect' as you'd like it to be. Take the glasses off. You CAN keep the ethos of pushing music forward by dipping into the odd Radio 1 show to sell a few more copies but just DONT make your objectives money orientated. Certain ppl cross the line and they loose credibility and direction. Others dont. I suppose it's like walking on a fence. As long as you keep you're morals you can't go far wrong. Who are we to judge Phil Kieran's morals in this?

I suppose the speakers do the talking :)

fair enough mark. but we all judge people, its difficult not to. take for example: tony blair & george bush. none of us know these guys on a personal level, but we all make judgements based on their actions, and how the press/media percieve them or their actions. is this case any different?

[schlongfingers]

fair enough mark. but we all judge people, its difficult not to. take for example: tony blair & george bush. none of us know these guys on a personal level, but we all make judgements based on their actions, and how the press/media percieve them or their actions. is this case any different?

I reckon that's different because with musicians you've just got the music to go off, there's no implied indication of personality or ethics at all - in the case of politicians there's a lot of information to point to their morals.

[crime]

And on top of that politicians make decisions that affect our lives and should be accountable for their actions.. Therefore people have every right to comment on their actions...

Music is a completely different thing, and the reality is musicians have every right to do what they like regardless of what other people think...

Bottom line, how can you judge people who you do not know? Why make assumptions about what kind of person they are...

I think it's quite a big assumtion that a lot of these hard house types are "Latching on to techno to gain some credibility", as much as I can't stand what any of these people do, what does it really matter? Last time I looked, techno was one of the most unfashionable types of music going, I doubt there's that much to be gained from "Jumping on the bandwagon"

No skin of my nose to be honest, to me it's at completely opposite end of the spectrum to what I'm interested in....

[Col]

ok fair enough guys. you both made some good points. but being judgemental is natural. in an idealistic world we wouldnt be so stereotypical. and that goes for myself too. we all judge people in one way or another, and i think you would be lying to yourself if you said that you didnt stereotype in some shape of form.

[Sunil]

I think it's quite a big assumtion that a lot of these hard house types are "Latching on to techno to gain some credibility", as much as I can't stand what any of these people do, what does it really matter? Last time I looked, techno was one of the most unfashionable types of music going, I doubt there's that much to be gained from "Jumping on the bandwagon"

It is a fair assumption actually, not that people should get so worked up about it though. Techno regardless of its fashion status in the past, has generally been regarded as intelligent.. hardhouse has been getting slagged off badly for ages, and techno was becoming more popular amongst clubbers, why wouldn't many of the producers want a shift in identity and to cut themselves a bit of the pie? The proof of a lot of this attitude is the upsurge in producers or fans from various genres talking of this new found "techie" or "tech" style that they are into. Techno is cool, let's face it

[Mike_W]

I've seen Phil Kieran about 4 times now and I've always thought he has been very good.

[duncandisorderly]

I think it's quite a big assumtion that a lot of these hard house types are "Latching on to techno to gain some credibility", as much as I can't stand what any of these people do, what does it really matter? Last time I looked, techno was one of the most unfashionable types of music going, I doubt there's that much to be gained from "Jumping on the bandwagon"

It is a fair assumption actually, not that people should get so worked up about it though. Techno regardless of its fashion status in the past, has generally been regarded as intelligent.. hardhouse has been getting slagged off badly for ages, and techno was becoming more popular amongst clubbers, why wouldn't many of the producers want a shift in identity and to cut themselves a bit of the pie? The proof of a lot of this attitude is the upsurge in producers or fans from various genres talking of this new found "techie" or "tech" style that they are into. Techno is cool, let's face it

however you could argue that they saw the light, not jumped on the bandwagon :!:

[dan the acid man]

cols right, i think most people are guilty of making assumptions and judging people, i try not to, but i still do occasionally.

i also agree with marks comments, so what if an artist is getting played on national radio, if they are still doing what they love with the same passion then surely its all good, as long as it doesnt turn them into an ego maniac

[Sunil]

however you could argue that they saw the light, not jumped on the bandwagon :!:

Sure, you could. They are all into it i'm sure...

[Col]

however you could argue that they saw the light, not jumped on the bandwagon :!:

Sure, you could. They are all into it i'm sure...

sure you could, but you could then also argue that these guys are making easy listening, off-shoot techno. which i think is the case.

[Col]

infact, to even call what they make "techno" is degrading to the genre.

[Numeric]

Yo...

This turned out to be a very interesting thread, feelin some of the points made from both sides of the discussion...

Phil played for us on saturday night, his set started a little tame but for the last hour he ripped the dance-floor, quite a lot of his tunes were rather bangin, but yeah, it wasn't what i would call 'real' techno...

As for the guy himself, i chatted with him as soon as he finished his set and a little later on also, for me, he came across as a really nice bloke, not in the least bit arrogant or un-approachable. He's also offered to help us out with future events!! So all this bulls**t about him being a t**t can stop right now!!

;)

[loko]

he doesnt mix at actually. he just flicks the crossfader across and gets away with (ocassionally) but his production side of things.....hes good!...as for being friends with fergie he was playin tech/techno style music well before he made it big!hes a crowd puller all the same!