Seriously Hard German Techno...

[dirty_bass]

I love hard techno. But this schranze just isn`t hard. It`s just compressed and distorted.

You can spray a whole room with an Uzi, make a lot of noise, and hardly do any damage.

Or you can go in with a sledge hammer, and batter those phuckers, methodically, and with cold calculation, until every one of em lays bleeding on the floor.

Thats my analogy, beat that!!!!

[The Divide]

Or you can go in with a sledge hammer, and batter those phuckers, methodically, and with cold calculation, until every one of em lays bleeding on the floor.

Thats my analogy, beat that!!!!

****ing awesome man! Ime on your side

[The Overfiend]

I'll co sign that!

[crime]

Funny how you were all biggin it up a few months ago :lol:

Sven Wittinkind and Frank Kvitta and all those guys are cool people though, we partied HARD in Russelsheim (Their home town), and they have a lot of respect for other music, I mean I was dropping shit like Cristian Vogel "Dungeon master" and Sven come up saying "Ja man, Cristian Fogel (how they pronounce "Vogel" in german) Das ist der Hammer ja" so I don't think they're close minded, I think they need to broaden their horizons with their productions though, they're only young guys, buzzing off what's going on, so maybe it just takes a bit of time and influence for them to do something different...
I gotta say though, music aside, those guys ROCKED party wise @ Das Rind.... Had a really good time...

[Methodixxx]

I've been trying to make this point for quite a while now (no biggin' up here :lol: )... In Sydney there was sort of an ethos of hard for the sake of being hard within certain crews over the last few years and nobody got what I meant when I was crapping on about it (Dirty Bass - spot on analogy man, exactly my point)... And yeah, the tracks from certain camps are just so predictably boring and flat that I can't see how anyone even considers it hard... And again, Adverse, spot on, Natus can do it when he likes cause he produces it so well that it does have depth and substance, and it does make it impact more...

But.... each to their own and all that...



Heehee DTL - I bet you see what I was saying back then about OBI now ;)

[killarava2day]

Well, in terms of the original post, Mark you are not alone. Alot of people here are noticing the same things you are. The Super Hard Techno or as the Germans call it "Shranz". is definately hiting the record stores hard atm.

The problem is, not that it's probably a problem, that this type of music is walking off the shelves. All the German guys, Kremer et al, hmmm....I don't know, it's an interesting point. Supply and demand as to say, and the market wants the 'schranze' and people are going crazy over it, regardless to the fact that obviously informed dudes like you guys query the production levels, to the most part though, alot of people, including DJs don't really give a shite.

[Dustin Zahn]

I think its comes down to much how time they put into their tracks. I think DJ Amok said in a thread that he gets the main loop/idea done in about 15 minutes?? I'm not calling him out or pointing towards him, but just using as an example. A lot of those producers probably knock stuff out relatively fast as well. Sometimes our best tracks are banged out in an hour but if you consistently finish tracks right away they're probably going to be rather lacking.

[serox]

i like some of the amok, whitterkind, chris noise stuff. really oving away from boring loops tho. really feeling some leo laker stuff and many other unknown artists who are making some good hard techno that changes loads. really feel it. mixing this kind of stuff with doomcore is a killah.

anyone know any other people who are mixing hard dark techno with doom?

[serox]

i thought 'schranz' = techno.

[h.a.r.d.s.i.g.n.a.l]

what you people are talking about is a "taste" issue...

an entire genre is "sh*t" just cuz it isn't what you like?

pretty narrow minded if you ask me. i've never written a style off because of a particular producer...Beethoven is to "overground"....f*ck classical music...

[dirty_bass]

No body has said the genre is Shiiiite. But that the majority of stuff is pretty lame.
There is some very good schranze, but you can tell it has been thought about and stands out way above the rest.

[h.a.r.d.s.i.g.n.a.l]

No body has said the genre is Shiiiite. But that the majority of stuff is pretty lame.

and the difference would be....??

[dirty_bass]

The difference is that schranz can be very good. but as a style it attracks the younger punter (cos it`s brash and aggressive) and a lot of the producers are young, and lack the production experience to put out real quality. Just more imitating each other.

Whereas if eveyone had of said it was outright shiiiite, we wouldn`y have gone into such depth about the over use of compression, unimaginative percussion etc.
We just would have done this

"Schranz is Shite"

Which is ignorant.

[h.a.r.d.s.i.g.n.a.l]

the point i'm trying to make is that it's all just so much opinion. just because you or Mark or whoever, thinks most schranz is lame because certain producers tend to sound the same, or it's overcompressed or distorted or whatever, doesn't make it so. anymore than that schranz is "good" just because i might say it is.

[MangaFish]

personally i think your both right.

i think theres alot to be said for original material and DB has a very valid point. but i think the word 'lame' was perhaps not the wisest choice of words.

at the end of the day this stuff does what it says on the tin and it does it well. so in that respect its not going to be 'lame' to the audience its targeted at

[dirty_bass]

Fair enough, lame may have been a poor choice. But I meant, run of the mill, thoughtless etc, and yes it serves a purpose, but so do boy bands :lol:

[The Divide]

I agree with whoever said it doesn’t really sound hard. It doesn’t without contrast, I would rather go back to listening to gabber, at least there’s lots going on in the programming and some nice ideas. Lots of aggression and variation (and sometimes cheesiness).

I think they just need to slow it down and fill in the gaps. Like how techno used to be, it doesn’t have to be fast to be hard. Also techno is much better to dance to when when its in 4 beats and the there’s a wickid groove. There’s more room for the dj to add to it.

Dont get me wrong tho, I love big upfront kicks and warm but nasty dynamics. I personally dont feel its all that bad, if it gets kids into techno then great. Hopefully they will move onto a much more serious and expressive side of techno. Its also not something I feel I am forced to listen to when I am in a club

[DJAmok]

So it´s basically a quality issue right?


Well we ain´t got anythin comparable to Curved Pressings in Germany, nothing even close. It ain´t really our fault, if the bottom end is messed up on the cuts or the highs are too damp. But don´t worry, I´m lookin into doifferent pressing cutting options atm

And productionwise... well give us a break, it´s our first year and I would say we definately improved our production quality over the course of it.

Don´t believe me? http://www.djamok.net/djamok/DJ%20Am...htmare%202.wav here´s an unmastered wav file. So tell me, is it missing bass? nope. Missing highs? no. Repetitive, boring, loopy 5min production? Not by a long shot. And Arkus P., Wittekind, Seema, Frank and Viper have been very creative lately working hard on making sick techno, that is not repetitive or distorted to hell. Just wait for the new releases coming out this fall, you´ll be pleasantly surprised

[jonnyspeed]

My answer is... you can not afford NOT to be on curver pusher. you tunes just sound like shit next to everything else - and punters don't like it. Vertually every recordshop I've been in in london slags off the sound quality of Combat Skill.

Sorry!

[basslinejunkie]

his hands are tied,imagine how much itd cost him 2 use curve pusher