Seriously Hard German Techno...

[Sunil]

cant see what difference it make what sleeve they are in. its the record your spinning after all. the rest is just fluff

In that case let every record in the world not have sleeves on them, it would save everyone a few quid too :clap:

[dirty_bass]

Hmmm an aside really, but if these records are selling so well, then they should be able to afford the necessary production costs, ie sleeves, better cut etc.

[Chymera]

a proper sleeve is pretty important to me, it doesn't have to be anything fancy, like a printed one, although they make all the difference. But plain paper sleeves rip the whole time, and are a nuisance.

[DJ OCRAM]

Well actually I am going to ask a question that I don't think is uncalled for.. why are the Combat Skill records just in a paper sleeve?

That is no secret, it saves me lot of money! ;)
paper sleeve = 0,06€ and with a normal sleeve = 0,46€
example:
1500 x 0,40€ = 600€ (!!!)
2000 x 0,40€ = 800€ (!!!)

but I sold all Records with paper sleeves,
so it isnt importand witch Sleeve iam using!

For me is the Vinyl quality more importand!
I want bring excelent Tracks & excelent Artists on a excelent quality on my Label,
for doing this i found this way to save money for do it ...

ocram, nice 1 for being cool about this.

I have no Problem if someone dont likes this tracks or this style,
i must accept it ;)

i'm not slaggin your releases - some other members took the initiative on that - i play your stuff. but yeah specifically that a1 track by kvitta. i was surprised you put it on the a1. and that i think is what started the alarm bells ringing in my head. if you don't mind me asking why was it the a1? is that sort of thing really going down in germany at the mo? and why? and where?

It is a longer story why i use it on the A1, but i cant tell it here ;)

But about this Track, it is a oldie from Frank,
Frank showed it to me when he produced it for Rush,
Rush loved it, too and wanted press it on KneDeep.
But it taked long time so i asked if i can have this track, and i geted it,
because i love it! If it is the right A1 or not we can fight about it, hehe.
But how i telled you it has a reason ...

But the Idea from CSK003 was a "very hard distorted" (perfect track for it :lol:) vs. "a soft good to listening" (Patrik Skoog ;)) side, a try to combinate my loving Styles ;)
Maybe not a good try, but i tried it ;)

next Release (CSK004) will be mine, not very much goodnes i know,
but my very own thing (without any Ghostproducer or some other shit!)
I know that it dont will very much art, but own thing, with Remixes by Patrick DSP, Switchblade (Leo Laker) and O.B.I.
after than beginning with the CSK005 i will start to press lot of Split EPs,
CSK005 will be DJ Boss vs. Switchblade, i think good and more for the mass ;)

[djfurness]

this is reminding me of something the drum n bass scene is goin through at the moment.....drum n bass has a sub genre called 'clownstep' which is basically really really JUMP UP tunes...like silly noises in and that really energetic......and people are hatin it on internet sites because (admittedley) this is whats gettin played at nights the most.....the lovers of liquid funk (dnb equivalent of minimal techno) & tech step(adam beyer stuff) are flippping.....but really...theres nothin to flip about......tech step and liquid funk sell LOTS of units as well.....and theres specialist nights for these sub genres......
Now....I really really like this hard techno style...but I come from a hardcore techno background....but sorry....this music is hard....and it is good.....and it is selling.....but to be honest is it taking over?
this year so far ive only seen Amoks name on a flyer (and seen him he was amazing) out of all the supposed pioneers of this sound......ive seen on flyers...robert hood,surgeon (seen him he was great),liebing,claude young,the 65d mavericks,jamie bissmere,henrik b,mike humphreys,jeff mills,dave clarke......theyre not likely really to start whackin a whole set of wittekind/natus tunes are they?
dj rush is here saturday...but thats about it......I think people need to realise that techno has a lot of rooms for a lot of styles.....
I aint a producer which maybe is a hindrance but maybe isnt......hey.....your all producers and you make tunes....you probably will have diffrent insights to this.....but im from one of those schools where its simply 'if i like it,i like it'......i listen for great production.....and i know it when i hear it.......but sometimes it is just a case of liking a tune because someones had the time and effort to make it.....and hey....its not too bad

[Sunil]

Well actually I am going to ask a question that I don't think is uncalled for.. why are the Combat Skill records just in a paper sleeve?

That is no secret, it saves me lot of money! ;)
paper sleeve = 0,06€ and with a normal sleeve = 0,46€
example:
1500 x 0,40€ = 600€ (!!!)
2000 x 0,40€ = 800€ (!!!)

but I sold all Records with paper sleeves,
so it isnt importand witch Sleeve iam using!

For me is the Vinyl quality more importand!
I want bring excelent Tracks & excelent Artists on a excelent quality on my Label,
for doing this i found this way to save money for do it ...

Well at least you are up front about it :clap: But to me you are only offering half the package which is an inner sleeve only the outer cardboard sleeve is important too. There are actually cardboard/paper type sleeves that are called 'disco bags', they are a suitable compromise if you ever decide the pennies can stretch that far ;)

[Numeric]

Ah who cares which camp has advanced more. Both schranz and tribal techno haven't progressed in a couple years anyway. If you really want to hear some crazy shit going on right now, start digging through the minimal records. There are records coming out that are harder than any of the Glenn Wilson type stuff at about 5 bpm less and about 50 layers less. Less is more.

Word...

:clap:

[Drago]

Well at least you are up front about it :clap: But to me you are only offering half the package which is an inner sleeve only the outer cardboard sleeve is important too. There are actually cardboard/paper type sleeves that are called 'disco bags', they are a suitable compromise if you ever decide the pennies can stretch that far ;)

I have to be honest and state that the cardboard sleeve really shouldn't make a difference.....if the vinyl inside is worth keeping hold of you are able to buy the cardboard sleevs for next to nowt anyway. Or you can go to your local second hand record dealer and buy a load of cheap vinyl(which you then throw away obviously) and use the plain cardboard sleeves for your tunes. Problem sorted ;)

I personally have no problem with it....

[jonnyspeed]

i dont see any problem, if you dont like my records, you dont need to buy it ;)


but your reason is stupid! I released only one fuzzed track (by Frank Kvitta),
but this was the style of this track

Lets agree to disagree on that one. I like your tunes just not final bits of plastic you put out as they are very amateur in quality.

[jonnyspeed]

don't worry, i've noted down who's not been respectful and if they do it again i'll have to do something about it.

There's me told. Mark, just PM me if you want me off the board.

[Numeric]

don't worry, i've noted down who's not been respectful and if they do it again i'll have to do something about it.

There's me told. Mark, just PM me if you want me off the board.

As if he wants you off the board...

I agree with you about the quality of certain pressings, and yes, it does sometimes completely spoil a good track. Just try to be a little more constructive when making a point...

[MARKEG]

i dont want you off the board you silly cunt :lol:

i just want some people to be a bit more productive, that's all...

i've gotta say it or else we turn into a horrible place ;)

[jonnyspeed]

Sorry - I will leave my come down at home next time. Appologies! BTW I love the Seema stuff.

(now I feel like a cunt... but I'm sure I'll get over it)

[Si the Sigh]

...what a cunt :roll:













:lol:

[TripleX]

:lol:

[poisoned antidote]

Sorry - I will leave my come down at home next time. Appologies! BTW I love the Seema stuff.

(now I feel like a cunt... but I'm sure I'll get over it)

ha ha...amok tought seema everthin she know's.

[DJ OCRAM]

Well at least you are up front about it :clap: But to me you are only offering half the package which is an inner sleeve only the outer cardboard sleeve is important too. There are actually cardboard/paper type sleeves that are called 'disco bags', they are a suitable compromise if you ever decide the pennies can stretch that far ;)

maybe it is importand, too. But i sold all records without it, too,
so i dont see any reason to change it ;) And if i change it,
i need to safe at artists, tracks, mastering and vinylquality

Lets agree to disagree on that one. I like your tunes just not final bits of plastic you put out as they are very amateur in quality.

It is you opinion, but I dont think so , for me and lot of other people in my scene it sounds how it need to sounds!

No Bullshit! Lot of other Labelboss with bigger Labels want press in future the same way like me!

[jonnyspeed]

:roll: I guess I should STFU and stop making a twat of myself.

[HardtraX]

Well, for my part I decided to leave this forum. It makes no sense for me to continue this discussion. One last thing: Chris Liebing is the most influential man in the Schranz scene, I agree. But take a look at his crap productions (most of them made by ghost-producers by the way). "His" Sunglasses At Night Remix consists of a couple of samples from the original track with only 3 loops (!!!) from a German sample-disc called Techno Trance Essentials on top of it. Is this creative? The whole discussion is silly, 75% of your argumentions are ridiculous (although I agree on the mastering issue) - you simply lack background informations. This is my last post on this board. Bye! :dontevengothere:

P.S.: Marco (DJ Ocram) is absolutely right! :clap: I'm off now...

P.P.S.: Please delete my account. Thank you!

[dirty_bass]

hmmmm, well, if we are gonna go on the if it sells, then why try to make it better ting, then we are heading into hard house terrortory here. Techno is all about change and forward thinking.
I myself understand the whole sales based on winning formula thing myself, with my own label, and there is pressure there to keep with a winning formula. But I try with each record (whether you like it or not) to do something different, I could have easily kept making the same as my first release, but I am willing to take risks, and push myself (which is pretty dificult, as the two sides of my label sell to 2 different markets, hard techno and prog).
I think people are taking this the wrong way, we all get critisised, and rather than shut out the critisism, learn from it, and ask why it happens.
I would like to see the schranz type techno develope, I really liked it for a while, but it stagnated so quickly.
And as for the attitude of, "people bought all my records anyway, why should I make my product any better".
This will catch up with you eventually, you gotta keep the customer happy, and people have patience for a while, but I would think eventually punters will expect to see some kind of product developement rather than repetative cheapskateism.