Seriously Hard German Techno...

[TripleX]

but anyways there´s still good stuff coming out aswell, Chris noise´s last releases for example, I really liked those

Do you mean the one on Fuizeball? His rmx of "rock your own show"? Absolutely belting intelligent schranz.

Anyone heard of OBI? His label Tekk Tribe? I kicked myself now for liking the stuff few months back... Soulless at it best.

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yes i do.
the noise track on BITSHIFT003, is good too, I love these effects he uses..
don´t like OBI aswell, the tracks are all too similar
cheers

[JACKSTAR]

What I think the problem is that these producers lack proper equipment and outboard and totally rely on the power of the PC and that damn fruityloops. I know you can get something good out of pure PC power but at the end of the day it all sounds to digital and plain.

P.

[Numeric]

The better produced hard s**t still does it for me though...

Leo Laker is the man...

:clap:

[The Overfiend]

So essentially it's almost like punk music.
Random people who pic up a pc turn the tempo on fruity to 150 and hope the shit brick spits out a gold terd?

And Paul I was saying that Drizzly and the other boys are'nt even in the same category. Drizzly Rules.

[The Overfiend]

What I think the problem is that these producers lack proper equipment and outboard and totally rely on the power of the PC and that damn fruityloops. I know you can get something good out of pure PC power but at the end of the day it all sounds to digital and plain.

P.

I agree but what about the rest of us who can't afford to buy all the "proper kits" we would love to have but still try to belt out intelligent stuff. Fine fruity make be the black sheep of production, but look at some producers today making top notch techno with it. I.e. Ze Mig, Zahn... I know there are plenty more. I'm offended by the comment because I feel it's a generalization of if you use fruity you suck. And yes I respect the shit out of Jack Star so please anyone else please don't misconstrue my words.

[stefano1981]

It's nothing to do with digital production methods, it's to do with lack of innovation on the producers part. Stop over-compressing stuff and it will stop sounding samey.

[Clarkus]

but anyways there´s still good stuff coming out aswell, Chris noise´s last releases for example, I really liked those

Yeah, i like chris noise stuff. Big fan of stereo pumkin ep. :clap:

[JACKSTAR]

I was not dissing Fruityloops because I have heard some good tracks made with it but i've also heard alot of bad sounding records made with fruityloops too. I know alot of people cannot afford hardware & outboard but we all know everyone can get hold of cracked copies of good software programmes & fx to maybe brighten up these tracks. You know I love these producers as I play 70% of there records but I agree after a while they can sound a little too similar and maybe the odd bassline would'nt go a miss.

P.

[Paul Zykotik]

And Paul I was saying that Drizzly and the other boys are'nt even in the same category. Drizzly Rules.

Good stuff - my fault, brain isn't quite working today!

[Patrick DSP]

don't you think that the minimal techno guys say this shit about us already?

To each their own.

Personaly, i don't like uber distortion and tracks that are basicly well, tracks. pointless pieces of work that go nowhere and have no rhyme or reason to them. This isn't minimal, crap, bleep, "i'm art cool" techno; layering 2,3, or 4 of these tracks ontop of eachother to get some substance out of it sounds like poo. But at the end of the day it's a personal thing, i'm pretty sure by now if there wasn't a market for it, then there wouldn't be this many labels putting this kind of style out.

[Patrick DSP]

and be nice to combat skill!!

(i have a remix coming out on #4) ;)

[jonnyspeed]

What I think the problem is that these producers lack proper equipment and outboard and totally rely on the power of the PC and that damn fruityloops. I know you can get something good out of pure PC power but at the end of the day it all sounds to digital and plain.

P.

Nar man, you just need a good sound card at a couple of hundred notes. Look at Martyn Hare and lot of the stuff on Genero - all done in Fruity or Reason. Wonderfully produced and very warm. Yer can do a very nice set-up with a grand and a copy of Kazaa to get you going and buy yer software licences when you start releasing.

[The Overfiend]

What I think the problem is that these producers lack proper equipment and outboard and totally rely on the power of the PC and that damn fruityloops. I know you can get something good out of pure PC power but at the end of the day it all sounds to digital and plain.

P.

Nar man, you just need a good sound card at a couple of hundred notes. Look at Martyn Hare and lot of the stuff on Genero - all done in Fruity or Reason. Wonderfully produced and very warm. Yer can do a very nice set-up with a grand and a copy of Kazaa to get you going and buy yer software licences when you start releasing.

;)

[eyes without a face]

I can see both arguments here, but as an avid Fruity user i agree that professional sounding tracks can be created with a bit of hard work, and its been proved, but i can see the point Paul is making.

[Adverse]

[quote="drift9"]

you can be so much more disturbing and hard, when you slow it down a bit, and put a lot of thought into sound design, rather than the old "oh just get any old synth and distort the barsteward" attitude.

i find slobodan is a master at this, chris mccormack too.

[Adverse]

What I think the problem is that these producers lack proper equipment and outboard and totally rely on the power of the PC and that damn fruityloops. I know you can get something good out of pure PC power but at the end of the day it all sounds to digital and plain.

P.

****ING BINGO

[Adverse]

i agree with mark btw.

and i'll say that it's just so boring to me.

also let me say, germans like robert natus can do whatever he likes and it always sounds key cause the mixdowns are always butter. in fact i'd love to hear his take on all this.

but i've heard some lousy tracks man.. and they couldn't cut porcelain or some shit. terrible.

i hope i get ragged on, cause this goes back to the whole damn quailty control issue i brought up a long ass time ago.

it's not so much the content that irks (read: makes me chuckle) me it's the lack of production quality.

anyways. cheers.

[flipper]

That very loud Techno you guys talk about is called Schranz. Made by producers like Tomask Gee, Dj Amok and Mhonolog.
You like it or not.
Do you like soft Techno or both Hard and soft Techno then you better go to parties where they spin Dub Techno or Minimal Techno.
Germany is known to be loud.

[The Overfiend]

That very loud Techno you guys talk about is called Schranz. Made by producers like Tomask Gee, Dj Amok and Mhonolog.
You like it or not.
Do you like soft Techno or both Hard and soft Techno then you better go to parties where they spin Dub Techno or Minimal Techno.
Germany is known to be loud.

thanks for clearing that up for us

[DJPAUZE]

Well, in terms of the original post, Mark you are not alone. Alot of people here are noticing the same things you are. The Super Hard Techno or as the Germans call it "Shranz". is definately hiting the record stores hard atm.

We are seeing countless labels/releases coming from everywhere into the record stores across the globe.

Now do I see a problem with it? Well basically heres my call:

Some of the releases that get out there will sell well. Maybe in our hearts they just arent quality releases but the fact of the matter is that there are alot of people that have different opinions and we just have to understand that.

I myself play alot of hard techno so for me its a plus as there will be an odd release that comes out thats a corker and I can add it to my collection.

So all and all its a plus in my books. I just hope that in the future the guys that are using the Fruity Loops get a lil more creative, dont be afraid to experiment or even ask the guys who have mastered the program for help.

Peace Yall
PauZe