i'm about half way thought a ritchie hawtin set

[Frank Dogshit]

richie hawtin is a superb dj.

seen him quite a few times and on every occasion its been different. sometimes minimal but on other occasions knocks the arse out of it and gives the crowd what they want,which is the most important thing to me in a dj.

anyone whos seen him at the cocoon partys will know exactly what hes about.

a good set of his to download of his from last year is from albufera,portugal.

[Esox Lucius]

awesome producer, sets bore me to death though...he has that dex fx & 909 tag but he wasn't the first to do it.

he certainly has skills when it comes to dj'ing, but his sets are so bland & boring.

[drift9]

been seeing the guy play out for a long long time now. he can play anything from storming, aggressive techno all the way down to stripped, barebones minimal--you never know what you're going to get with the guy and that's what i like about him. i think he's also one of the more creative djs around as well.

and no, i've never really heard him play sloppy. but even so, anyone can have a bad night.

i grew up seeing the guy, going to all the plus 8 parties. it's cool if you don't like him, taste is taste. but sloppy? um, no.

and, G, man, gotta say, you really brought back some fond memories by bringing up those Plus 8 parties.

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and, G, man, gotta say, you really brought back some fond memories by bringing up those Plus 8 parties.

yeah tell me about it... i could wax poetic for hours. :)

[MangaFish]

Just because it's not 145bpm over-compressed banging techno does not mean it's boring. ;)

i prefer my techno slower and more subtile. but this particular mix sounded soo sparse of any activity, i dont think subtile is a sutible word.

the tracks were never out of time. in that respect his mixing was spot on. but the why how he braught the tracks in seemed a little dull. his use of fx was very dull as well.

to me it sounded like the techno equivalent of deep house. (which i dont mind in small quanities but it needs to be beefed up a little to make it danceable)

[MangaFish]

if the original post in this thread was in reference to his March '04 Maida Vale Peel set, yeah, that, like other Radio 1 things he has done, was much more minimal.

it was the radio 1 set so that might explain it.

[basslinejunkie]

Just because it's not 145bpm over-compressed banging techno does not mean it's boring. ;)

spot on.

[John Vella]

Just because it's not 145bpm over-compressed banging techno does not mean it's boring. ;)

Because it's a flat line with no sense of programming or intent to do anything interesting. ;) My how the once powerful have fallen so hard, yet everyone says the emperor is still wearing clothes. I'll hand Ritchie, the tosser, a bathrobe in the meantime.

Shame on you. You obviously don't know very much about music - that's all I can say to you Mr DSP

Why?? Because his opinion differs from yours? :dontevengothere:

Well hey DSP look on the bright side!!! At least you have someone to turn to when you want validation for your thoughts!!! :roll:
:lol:

-j

[teknorich]

I think Hawtin's superb. Never seen him live, but I've got lots of his mixes, and I've never heard any bad mixing from the man, unlike certain other top jocks (Mills?). I only go for his minimal sets, but in hunting these down I've found sets from him that were funky, bouncy techno, then others that are much harder - the guy can play all styles.
DE9 is my favourite mix of all time. Obviously I wouldn't want to hear that in a club, but for after hours chill out with friends it is perfect. Relaxed and gentle, but without losing the beat. Sweet.
Of course some people find him boring, because he plays slow, dubby stuff, and some people refuse to listen to anything that isn't mind-bendingly tough. For me, when I go out I like it hard and nasty, and I want to stomp at high speeds, but when I'm at home, chilling out, I want something a bit slower, and better produced. Everything in it's place!

[gumpy green]

Well either youz have been lucky to only find good mixes from him but ive heard TOO MANY sloppy live dj sets from him to rate him highly..

Even when tight its not the greatest example of djing.

The boys a very gifted producer but djing....na, educate yourselve in djing...not just techno djing...but the art djing

The sloppy comment is hilarious. Rich is one of the world's best djs

no offence but he is no where near the level of the worlds best djs, dont even try and put him anywher near craze, qbert, MMM, atrack....hed look weak as fuk playing next to them....

To- All you saying hes one of the best dj-----give me a REALLY good example of a live dj set....as in live in a club and ill check it .......oh and eat my words if prooved wrong...

I could dig out a set or two from him and post examples of the slop but i aint that sad...just like to moan sumtimes... ;)

[stefano1981]

His essential mix from Sankey's Soap in April 2001 was very good, as far as I can remember. Been a while since I listened to it though.

[jonnyspeed]

Just because it's not 145bpm over-compressed banging techno does not mean it's boring. ;)

Because it's a flat line with no sense of programming or intent to do anything interesting. ;) My how the once powerful have fallen so hard, yet everyone says the emperor is still wearing clothes. I'll hand Ritchie, the tosser, a bathrobe in the meantime.

Shame on you. You obviously don't know very much about music - that's all I can say to you Mr DSP

No because Richie Hawtin is technically amazing in his composition and execution. What he's doing may not be 4 to the floor and to say that he's got no sence of programming is so laughable that it just makes Patrick look silly - esepcially to somebody like me who understands what he is doing in the context of Dada, Stockhausen, Can etc. and can see why his work streaches people in ways that disposable loop based hard tech will never.




Why?? Because his opinion differs from yours? :dontevengothere:

Well hey DSP look on the bright side!!! At least you have someone to turn to when you want validation for your thoughts!!! :roll:
:lol:

-j

[jonnyspeed]

ooops... got my comment in the wrong place of the quote then. But my answer is still no ;)

[teknorich]

On the Decks EFX and 909 CD, the booklet has a graph inside showing which tunes are playing at which point in the mix (bit geeky perhaps, but hey!) On the graph there are very often two, or even three tunes playing simultaneously. This was publicised as a live mix. If Hawtin can play three tracks at the same time, whilst using the FX machine and the 909, then I don't really see how you can claim he can't mix. For me, his mixing ability is much more obvious in his minimal/dubby sets, so maybe you should listen to one of those?? The bouncier, clubbier sets are still good, but not as skilled in my opinion, so don't reflect him as a DJ. You might think he is too linear and straightforward in his mixing, but he is undeniably skilled and capable, perhaps just that his mixing style doesn't suit you?

[teknorich]

I definitely think that some of the big name DJs just live on their reputation, but I don't think Hawtin is one of them. At risk of upsetting people, I'm quite disappointed with Jeff Mills recently. I have the Liquid Room disc and I love it. It's a live set, so there are a few problems, but the vibe is there and it's great. However, I was thoroughly disappointed with Exhibitionist, and the sloppy, rubbish mixing there, and in fact I've only listened to the mix maybe three times since buying it. Seems Mills is indeed living off his reputation. Hawtin has a long reputation, going back almost as far as people like Mills, but I think he is technically far superior, as well as having developed and changed his style over the years, whereas Mills still plays the same records as he did ten years ago!

[gumpy green]

On the Decks EFX and 909 CD, the booklet has a graph inside showing which tunes are playing at which point in the mix (bit geeky perhaps, but hey!) On the graph there are very often two, or even three tunes playing simultaneously. This was publicised as a live mix. If Hawtin can play three tracks at the same time, whilst using the FX machine and the 909, then I don't really see how you can claim he can't mix. For me, his mixing ability is much more obvious in his minimal/dubby sets, so maybe you should listen to one of those?? The bouncier, clubbier sets are still good, but not as skilled in my opinion, so don't reflect him as a DJ. You might think he is too linear and straightforward in his mixing, but he is undeniably skilled and capable, perhaps just that his mixing style doesn't suit you?

well the only way you will prove it to me is linking me or giving me the name of a LIVE club set where he does it.....

cmon if hes soo good and plays out everywher ther must be at least one mix you lot know off...otherwise why the fuk are you going on about him if you cant even name one "off the wall mixing set"......big name perhaps.

and i agree bout mills too.......no way id pay to see the slop he dishes out....never mind big him up.

production wise hes good aswell...this seems to be the case wi techno....produce some good tunes and get hailed as a superstar dj.....shows you how much uneducated fukwits are in techno nowadays....its about time somebody schooled the lot of them....im sick hearing bad djs living of of name/hype...so sad.

[stefano1981]

*Ahem*

His essential mix from Sankey's Soap in April 2001 was very good, as far as I can remember. Been a while since I listened to it though.

[gumpy green]

On the Decks EFX and 909 CD, the booklet has a graph inside showing which tunes are playing at which point in the mix (bit geeky perhaps, but hey!) On the graph there are very often two, or even three tunes playing simultaneously. This was publicised as a live mix. If Hawtin can play three tracks at the same time, whilst using the FX machine and the 909, then I don't really see how you can claim he can't mix. For me, his mixing ability is much more obvious in his minimal/dubby sets, so maybe you should listen to one of those?? The bouncier, clubbier sets are still good, but not as skilled in my opinion, so don't reflect him as a DJ. You might think he is too linear and straightforward in his mixing, but he is undeniably skilled and capable, perhaps just that his mixing style doesn't suit you?

i dont believ he did it live and if so then he must do it in a club aswell so theyll be plenty of mixes you can link me to....

minimal/dubby sets will do if it reflects his good djing.....

[teknorich]

I'm not supposed to be using the net in work mate, so I'm just grabbing a quick 5 minutes when I can... I'll see if I can hook something up before I go though, cos I don't have internet access at home right now.

[teknorich]

One thing I will (quickly) say though is that it often works the other way around as well. There are a few Djs who I respect for their mixing, but I'm not keen on their productions. Personally I like Dave Clarke's sets, but I'd never buy his album. Same goes for dave Tarrida. Who do the Hardsignal people rate both for Dj sets and track production??