i'm about half way thought a ritchie hawtin set

[T]

well the only way you will prove it to me is linking me or giving me the name of a LIVE club set where he does it.....


cmon if hes soo good and plays out everywher ther must be at least one mix you lot know off...otherwise why the fuk are you going on about him if you cant even name one "off the wall mixing set"......big name perhaps.

and i agree bout mills too.......no way id pay to see the slop he dishes out....never mind big him up.

production wise hes good aswell...this seems to be the case wi techno....produce some good tunes and get hailed as a superstar dj.....shows you how much uneducated fukwits are in techno nowadays....its about time somebody schooled the lot of them....im sick hearing bad djs living of of name/hype...so sad.

sorry got to wholeheartedly disagree. You're are right some people live off a big name and are gash dj's but I think to dispute Hawtin's technical ability on decks or prodcuing is not fair or accurate?? Maybe try radio 1 archive Hawtin at Medicine bar or something, that's a good live mix??
I agree that many bedroom dj's and unkowns I've heard can put together as good a mix as the 'pros'.....but I think it's harsh to dismiss Hawtin as living off name with all the qaulity he's produced over the years...and I've personally witnessed him live as Plastikman and as a dj real quality both times imo, plus his cds etc.... l as mentioned before liking it is nother issue but to dismiss him as shit and a blagger just aint right

no disrespect mate, entiltled to your view but I gotta disagree ;)

[Rhys]

http://www.m-nus.com/

If you go into the downloads section there is a mix called BBC radio 1 mix which is one of his minimal sets from 2002.

[teknorich]

Yup, good set. Or try his mix with Magda from PS1. Hard to tell who is playing at any given point maybe, but a very good set overall.

[gumpy green]

well the only way you will prove it to me is linking me or giving me the name of a LIVE club set where he does it.....


cmon if hes soo good and plays out everywher ther must be at least one mix you lot know off...otherwise why the fuk are you going on about him if you cant even name one "off the wall mixing set"......big name perhaps.

and i agree bout mills too.......no way id pay to see the slop he dishes out....never mind big him up.

production wise hes good aswell...this seems to be the case wi techno....produce some good tunes and get hailed as a superstar dj.....shows you how much uneducated fukwits are in techno nowadays....its about time somebody schooled the lot of them....im sick hearing bad djs living of of name/hype...so sad.

sorry got to wholeheartedly disagree. You're are right some people live off a big name and are gash dj's but I think to dispute Hawtin's technical ability on decks or prodcuing is not fair or accurate?? Maybe try radio 1 archive Hawtin at Medicine bar or something, that's a good live mix??
I agree that many bedroom dj's and unkowns I've heard can put together as good a mix as the 'pros'.....but I think it's harsh to dismiss Hawtin as living off name with all the qaulity he's produced over the years...and I've personally witnessed him live as Plastikman and as a dj real quality both times imo, plus his cds etc.... l as mentioned before liking it is nother issue but to dismiss him as shit and a blagger just aint right

no disrespect mate, entiltled to your view but I gotta disagree ;)

cheers mate i will check that mix out, if its good ill say so but if its slop then i will also say so.......

ive saw hawtin live aswell and he didnt live up to the hype.....

and im not disliking it it cos of the style of music-alot was really good techno to my taste, im on about sloppy beats getting pushed and pulled too much.....and boring mixes with little inovation/tricks.

i can tell the differnce between a good dj and a bad dj no matter what stlye they play......same wi live pa's.

like for exapmle ----i dont like what the youngsters do, saw them do it live etc....most of it was not to my taste but would never call them sloppy/crap etc.....THEY ARE REALLY REALLY GOOD. In fact brillient.

I never once said hawtin plays crap tunes......i said every live mix ive heard from him was gash with loads of mistakes.......

[teknorich]

I also liked his set from 10 days off if you can find it anywhere. Sorry I'm not giving you links, but I don't want to get collared for internet use in work...

[Rhys]

http://www.m-nus.com/

If you go into the downloads section there is a mix called BBC radio 1 mix which is one of his minimal sets from 2002.

[MangaFish]

http://www.m-nus.com/

If you go into the downloads section there is a mix called BBC radio 1 mix which is one of his minimal sets from 2002.

thats the one i listened to.
it just felt like it didnt progress at all

[g]

The sloppy comment is hilarious. Rich is one of the world's best djs

no offence but he is no where near the level of the worlds best djs, dont even try and put him anywher near craze, qbert, MMM, atrack....hed look weak as fuk playing next to them....

ok, we are talking about VERY different things.

[jonnyspeed]

No I don't agree you can put scratch DJ against the likes of Richie Hawtin. His ability to piece of music when he mixes is easily comparable to the likes of Q-Bert, DJ Shadow etc. I think we just need say they all rank in the top 10 - and then leave it to personal taste to pick a winner.

in terms of technical ability scratching is in a different league to techno - but its function is different as alot of the thought is put in in the studio not the turntables.

But Richie writes and produces as vast amount of what he plays - which is truely contempory-classical in its roots and quality. Added to this is the fact that he is a cornerstone influence in acid techno.

Top Trumps anyone?

[g]

http://www.m-nus.com/

If you go into the downloads section there is a mix called BBC radio 1 mix which is one of his minimal sets from 2002.

thats the one i listened to.
it just felt like it didnt progress at all

ah ok, then that's even a different one than what i referred to earlier in this. there's a peel/radio1 set from 10 March 2004 out there that you should check out.

[MangaFish]

i was hoping to find something a bit more typical of his club sets. (if thats possible?)

[gumpy green]

No I don't agree you can put scratch DJ against the likes of Richie Hawtin. His ability to piece of music when he mixes is easily comparable to the likes of Q-Bert, DJ Shadow etc. I think we just need say they all rank in the top 10 - and then leave it to personal taste to pick a winner.

in terms of technical ability scratching is in a different league to techno - but its function is different as alot of the thought is put in in the studio not the turntables.

But Richie writes and produces as vast amount of what he plays - which is truely contempory-classical in its roots and quality. Added to this is the fact that he is a cornerstone influence in acid techno.

Top Trumps anyone?

Djing is djing --no matter what style you play.... it is possible to play techno with the turntablist stlye...skratching and shit..even if i saw a guy playing cheesy trance fused with scooter but was totally amazing at the way he done it hed get my respect for his djing skill even tho hes playing total piss music that i wouldnt listen to.

thats what the art of djing is about(to me). not just playing records but fukin about with them......you can still build a techno set but add your own dj style over it...like using crazy juggles to break it down b4 droppin in a blinder that just blows the roof off....or playing your own basslines using tones over a techno beat...

Im not tring to take anything away from hawtin - he is very very talented and get loads of respect from ME for what hes done... hes just not one of the best djs in the world. and ive heard many a sloppy mix from him..

anyway ive said my piece- you can go back and believe hes great, your choice, ill listen to the finer dj's in this world....and thers more than 10, i only used qbet as an example cos its prob the only one youd know off, thers plenty underground headz that are up ther too.