A lot healthier...

[Hakka]

I agree that there has been some good hard trance releases at the moment, but I still feel they all very similar in approach and delivery. Good tunes they are, but they aren't pushing the boundries... just staying at the same standard. Still like the tunes that are coming out though, just that I have so many tunes that sound similar to them already that I get frustrated.

[Hakka]

Anyone heard Hypercube - Thunder? Not too bad that one... although a good example of what I mean. Good production, nice sounding tune... but not a tune that is really pushing the trance sound to a new level.

[Hakka]

Fast Floor though! I do like them! Good stuff they do.

[Yoshimitsu]

Fast Floor though! I do like them! Good stuff they do.

Didnt really rate their newest effort

[DJ Corbzy]

I agree that there has been some good hard trance releases at the moment, but I still feel they all very similar in approach and delivery. Good tunes they are, but they aren't pushing the boundries... just staying at the same standard. Still like the tunes that are coming out though, just that I have so many tunes that sound similar to them already that I get frustrated.

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

[DJ Corbzy]

Fast Floor though! I do like them! Good stuff they do.

Didnt really rate their newest effort

Yeah it was pretty shit!

[Si the Sigh]

I agree that there has been some good hard trance releases at the moment, but I still feel they all very similar in approach and delivery. Good tunes they are, but they aren't pushing the boundries... just staying at the same standard. Still like the tunes that are coming out though, just that I have so many tunes that sound similar to them already that I get frustrated.

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

WORD CORBZ!! :clap:

[Chris Hare]

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers.

im sorry corbz but i totally disagree onthis one... its human nature-human spirit that creates all these wonderful artistic endeavours by trying to break out of the normal an express something incredible... mozartz / leonardo de vinci all these people used the same tools that every one else does.. ie pencil`s paper what ever... and they came up with something incredible... so the tools are irrelevent in light of the profound things you can achieve from breaking away from normal thought etc. imo

[Chris Hare]

er think i kinda went on one then... had to start going on about mozart again... damn :lol:

[DJ Corbzy]

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers.

im sorry corbz but i totally disagree onthis one... its human nature-human spirit that creates all these wonderful artistic endeavours by trying to break out of the normal an express something incredible... mozartz / leonardo de vinci all these people used the same tools that every one else does.. ie pencil`s paper what ever... and they came up with something incredible... so the tools are irrelevent in light of the profound things you can achieve from breaking away from normal thought etc. imo

Yeah for sure Chris I see where your coming from, some good analagies coming out here!!

But...It depends how you look at it, a formula of a certain person doesn't have to change over a period of a couple of releases, if that producer thinks that it's still good enough then he'll use it again.

Some good indepth chat going down here Chris! :clap:

[Si the Sigh]

Not every good release breaks new ground...

[Chris Hare]

*gets lost for a sec...thinks hes in the classical music section of the forum.... goes on one....falls over* :roll:

[DJ Corbzy]

Yeah to break it down Si, that's what I meant.....

[DJ Corbzy]

*gets lost for a sec...thinks hes in the classical music section of the forum.... goes on one....falls over* :roll:

Hahaha I always fall over when I play out, I go mental and lose my balance! :lol:

[Hakka]

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

Sorry Corbz, but tough. I'm allowed my opinion and I will stick by it. You have to live it, just because you think your right doesn't mean I have to discount my belief or feelings and start thinking what you think.

I don't believe every release has to be a step forward. Haven't said that. I do believe that owning 100's of similar hard trancers that use similar synth sounds, ideas, builds up's and idea's to be frustrating as I like to hear different things and have a varied collection of tunes. My choice, my feelings. So what I'm saying is that YES, there is a good hard trance coming out at the moment, but personaly I own many tunes that sound similar and I feel that I want to hear something newer or different to satisfy my personal needs in music.

With regard to Uberdruck, I've not said that ALL his stuff is sounding the same. I said that it SOUNDS SIMILAR in that it uses the same synths and lay outs. ALSO, his tunes are very different if you look at them NOW and from the begining, but my point about Uberdruck is that at the begining his tunes were very dark and doing a sound that was very different - breaking new ground. His recent efforts have been of high quality but still using similar sounds/synth - and the style of the tunes he makes are more like what other producers are doing as opposed to being different, like productions of theirs used to be like.

Totally agree with you about Hardstyle though, and again, I desire to hear something new, not neseaccirly completely different, but something that isn't the same. With hardstyle its easier to see tracks that sound similar, well sorry I HEAR it in trance. Different riffs, but same old sort of sound. The Hard Trance sound has not moved a great deal on in the last 2 or 3 years. The producers that were responsible for pushing hard trance forward are not producing as much (or at all in some cases). I'm not saying that it every release I sit there and slate, as there are some quality tunes out there. What I am saying is that I'm a massive fan of Hard Trance, but many hard trance releases of today I'm finding easier to turn down because they aren't offering anything more than what I have or in the way of ideas or riffs. Again, this is not a slate of the tunes, its just my observation and feeling which I'd like to think I'm able to share on this forum without having to feel like I'm a cunt for.

I apprecaite what your saying Corbz with boundaries take time to be pushed, but I'm sorry Hard Trance has had a VERY long time to do it. A lot of producers are simply playing catch up to the standards SHOKK/FLUTLICT, Uberdruck, Scot Project, Marco/Jay Walker, Jon the Baptist etc... have set. And to think that some of the best hard trance tunes I've heard came out over a year ago and I'm still hearing tunes of that stanard being released now, I find that dissappointing.

I appreciate a big part of what I am saying is my own fault, my own personal "want" for hard trance is behind my more negative view for current releases. But that's because I'm being honest with you.

Y.O.M.C - In My Mind. - I love this tune. Name me a tune that is so deep and clever as that which came out in the last 6 months... if you can find one I will give you £20! :)

I'm not having a go, just trying to explaining WHY I say these things Corbz... cause I feel that your not appreciating that it takes me a lot to say these things about a genre I love.

[DJ Corbzy]

To be honest I'm getting sick of people complaining that a tune or producer isn't pushing a boundary, it's really starting to annoy me....

Every release doesn't have to be a step forward, it's human nature to stick to a formula, without formula's we wouldn't have sounds for producers. I mean OK, yeah we do need to break boundaries every now and again but it was like with the new Uberdruck, people moaning that it sounds too much like all there other stuff....IT DOESN'T! Listen to the older Uberdruck stuff, it has the same sound, but in terms of production the track is stupidly impressive, listen to there acid, listen to the trance, it is different.

Hardstyle IMO, does need to change it's formula a little, the whole sound has been raped by people just sampling basslines and using SHITE vocals...

Boundaries take time to be pushed, it's like the World Record of the 100m sprint, it doesn't get broken every time, but when it does it's exciting. We just have to wait for a few chemicals in certain producers heads to react and BOOM we have a winner, for the moment we just have to settle for what they can achieve at the minute.

Rant Over...

The Corbz

Sorry Corbz, but tough. I'm allowed my opinion and I will stick by it. You have to live it, just because you think your right doesn't mean I have to discount my belief or feelings and start thinking what you think.

I don't believe every release has to be a step forward. Haven't said that. I do believe that owning 100's of similar hard trancers that use similar synth sounds, ideas, builds up's and idea's to be frustrating as I like to hear different things and have a varied collection of tunes. My choice, my feelings. So what I'm saying is that YES, there is a good hard trance coming out at the moment, but personaly I own many tunes that sound similar and I feel that I want to hear something newer or different to satisfy my personal needs in music.

With regard to Uberdruck, I've not said that ALL his stuff is sounding the same. I said that it SOUNDS SIMILAR in that it uses the same synths and lay outs. ALSO, his tunes are very different if you look at them NOW and from the begining, but my point about Uberdruck is that at the begining his tunes were very dark and doing a sound that was very different - breaking new ground. His recent efforts have been of high quality but still using similar sounds/synth - and the style of the tunes he makes are more like what other producers are doing as opposed to being different, like productions of theirs used to be like.

Totally agree with you about Hardstyle though, and again, I desire to hear something new, not neseaccirly completely different, but something that isn't the same. With hardstyle its easier to see tracks that sound similar, well sorry I HEAR it in trance. Different riffs, but same old sort of sound. The Hard Trance sound has not moved a great deal on in the last 2 or 3 years. The producers that were responsible for pushing hard trance forward are not producing as much (or at all in some cases). I'm not saying that it every release I sit there and slate, as there are some quality tunes out there. What I am saying is that I'm a massive fan of Hard Trance, but many hard trance releases of today I'm finding easier to turn down because they aren't offering anything more than what I have or in the way of ideas or riffs. Again, this is not a slate of the tunes, its just my observation and feeling which I'd like to think I'm able to share on this forum without having to feel like I'm a cunt for.

I apprecaite what your saying Corbz with boundaries take time to be pushed, but I'm sorry Hard Trance has had a VERY long time to do it. A lot of producers are simply playing catch up to the standards SHOKK/FLUTLICT, Uberdruck, Scot Project, Marco/Jay Walker, Jon the Baptist etc... have set. And to think that some of the best hard trance tunes I've heard came out over a year ago and I'm still hearing tunes of that stanard being released now, I find that dissappointing.

I appreciate a big part of what I am saying is my own fault, my own personal "want" for hard trance is behind my more negative view for current releases. But that's because I'm being honest with you.

Y.O.M.C - In My Mind. - I love this tune. Name me a tune that is so deep and clever as that which came out in the last 6 months... if you can find one I will give you £20! :)

I'm not having a go, just trying to explaining WHY I say these things Corbz... cause I feel that your not appreciating that it takes me a lot to say these things about a genre I love.

Tough call Mark...I respect your views and you know that man, At no point I was saying that your opinion wasn't valid and you had to settle for mine, I was clearly stating that I was annoyed with the slating of new hard trance tunes because they don't live up to the expectations of many people, at the end of the day, you like what you like, and you don't what you don't, but I backed up my opinions with what I beleive.

Forums are for stating how you feel and expressing your feelings, I admit I slate a lot of people for not agreeing with me but that's just me.

At the end of the day, we are the ones who can go out there and make the future music and mix the future tunes, so if you truly feel the way you do, go out and do something about it.

[Si the Sigh]

On the subject of being able to do something about the scene & music, what happened about that god aweful time stretched version of that Arome track Corbz?

Valid points from you & the Hakka master general flex by the way! :clap:

[Hakka]

Sorry I was starting a bit harsh there Corbz, I was just a bit quick to snap as I have thought a lot about hard trance over the last year and I've been very frustrated that I'm not hearing stuff that has been winning me over. There are tunes out there which deserve credit, i.e Surrender - Control Me - Totally class piece of hard trance! - Fast Floor mix of DJ Cygas - Sweet Lies... class! - The Elite - Club Experience... damn well wicked.

[DJ Corbzy]

On the subject of being able to do something about the scene & music, what happened about that god aweful time stretched version of that Arome track Corbz?

Valid points from you & the Hakka master general flex by the way! :clap:

I havent heard back from Stijn yet, but I beleive his lawyers were going to work on the subject....

[Si the Sigh]

I should think so to!