Guy McAffer / The Geezer...

[speed-it-up]

was it your wankrag ?

[the_psychologist]

"I don't think its necessarily a new thing, however. A little while a go, I was digging around & listening to some older Geezer tunes & found they were often very similar"

yeah, i call it the Geezer Muffle. i noticed it as far back as Balloonheads 02. it always makes me think the needle needs to be changed! it's odd how Geezer has two sides to him... he CAN put out tunes with good production values (i always think of Antidote 04 and Bang On 7), but i think he's too prolific to take the time needed these days. the thing that really bothers me is when the Geezer Muffle bleeds over to other labels, like the latest SUFs and Skanks. it was even in effect for the early No Entry tunes, which i felt lacked any muscle when being mixed with beefier records.

i think there are a few factors at play: first, he doesn't seem to tour like the other London people, so i bet he needs to produce mad tunes to stay afloat $$-wise. second, i think he engineers a lot fo tunes for people who don't have much production experience, so they don't push him to up the quality.

[davethedrummer]

Someone should tell him...

Henry?

:lol:

well i have, in as polite a way as possible.
i've also offered him to listen to any of my new records to give him and idea of where techno is going' cos to be honest part of it is that he doesn't really like listening to techno anymore.

also as someone said earlier on his release schedule is so busy that it's hard for him to get creative everytime.
it's a case of not being able to do anything else and having to make a living and being creative .
a very difficult harmony to find in life.

i'd love to hear guy make some funk or breaks or something else
that would be cool reckon

[Si the Sigh]

Fair play to you for having a word. I would like to see Guy try something different. Breaks would be cool. I do really love the reggae influenced Highwire releases. Thats something he is damn good at! Would like to hear some sort of reggae influenced breaks or something from him. Could be interesting!

[Rog]

ok ok..

steve and I actually chatted about this the other day - I know its not everybodys style - or person.. but bring back the man choci, guy and choci together rock!

As for the percussion based raw sound, its tired.. its tested.. it worked - but as steve's pointed out, maybe his work load allows little experiment time..

But he is a legend - and some early raw floated my boat ;)

[Antinoise]

:lol:[/quote]
i'd love to hear guy make some funk or breaks or something else
that would be cool reckon[/quote]

I think everyone making techno should take a listen to some of the traxs coming out of the breaks scene these days. Loaded with groove yet still using raw sounds (and I'm not talking about Florida trancy crap). Techno producers often forget what it’s all about. I've recently switched a big % of my production to raw breaks and I'm feeling allot better about where things are headed.

[ant]

This is the first time I've written on a forum. I usually don't bother because I feel most of the opinions expressed by some people concentrate solely on slagging or praising one particular part of the topic and the greater picture is NEVER represented, which is why I want to have a say on this particular thread. My point is aimed at all those people who seem to be loving finding faults in Guy's (or anyone's) music and production. If you think the releases are sounding the same, then thats perfectly fine, but DON'T dare slag him for it. Music and production are personal thing. If you don't get on with a particular style anymore, have a bit of initiative and move on to something you do like. Don't sit there and moan about how tedious things have got.

Formulas work! It's what music is based on. Ok, its easy to get stuck in a rut sometimes and formulas get rinsed, but try writing a live set and then playing it out twice, sometimes three times a weekend, meeting a hectic release schedule for the records and then finding time to engineer for people, who, most of the time rely on YOUR ideas because they've not come to the studio prepared and have no ideas (and apart from a select few, NO TALENT) of their own. Some wannabe DJ's just hire the studio and the engineer to get their names on the records because they think it's the short cut to the big time. These people are leeches, sucking all the creativity out of you. To handle all this is only just managable if you're REALLY on it... and believe me, Guy IS. But he is also human and as everybody SHOULD know, creativity dosen't come from a tap. If you hit a dry patch it can take WEEKS to get back in the vibe of things.

So, why not try and spent the 1000's of £'s it costs to build and maintain a studio and do it yourself. Not to mention the 5 - 10 years it takes to hone your production skills, oh yeah, I forgot about learning to use the equipment in the first place. Then maybe we can all come back in a few years and read what people have to say about YOU!

[da hound]

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[anx]

thanks for the perspective ant

[Si the Sigh]

This is the first time I've written on a forum. I usually don't bother because I feel most of the opinions expressed by some people concentrate solely on slagging or praising one particular part of the topic and the greater picture is NEVER represented, which is why I want to have a say on this particular thread. My point is aimed at all those people who seem to be loving finding faults in Guy's (or anyone's) music and production. If you think the releases are sounding the same, then thats perfectly fine, but DON'T dare slag him for it. Music and production are personal thing. If you don't get on with a particular style anymore, have a bit of initiative and move on to something you do like. Don't sit there and moan about how tedious things have got.

Formulas work! It's what music is based on. Ok, its easy to get stuck in a rut sometimes and formulas get rinsed, but try writing a live set and then playing it out twice, sometimes three times a weekend, meeting a hectic release schedule for the records and then finding time to engineer for people, who, most of the time rely on YOUR ideas because they've not come to the studio prepared and have no ideas (and apart from a select few, NO TALENT) of their own. Some wannabe DJ's just hire the studio and the engineer to get their names on the records because they think it's the short cut to the big time. These people are leeches, sucking all the creativity out of you. To handle all this is only just managable if you're REALLY on it... and believe me, Guy IS. But he is also human and as everybody SHOULD know, creativity dosen't come from a tap. If you hit a dry patch it can take WEEKS to get back in the vibe of things.

So, why not try and spent the 1000's of £'s it costs to build and maintain a studio and do it yourself. Not to mention the 5 - 10 years it takes to hone your production skills, oh yeah, I forgot about learning to use the equipment in the first place. Then maybe we can all come back in a few years and read what people have to say about YOU!

Fair comments.

[dan the acid man]

fair comment's indeed by ant, but at the end of the day i think we are entitled to give our view's on the subject even if we dont own a great studio or write music, the main reason why iv'e been posting on this subject is because i love his music so much, let's hope the top shelf and shark releases carry on as they have been

[G-whizz]

fair comment's indeed by ant, but at the end of the day i think we are entitled to give our view's on the subject even if we dont own a great studio or write music, the main reason why iv'e been posting on this subject is because i love his music so much, let's hope the top shelf and shark releases carry on as they have been

I think one of the main problems with posting up on boards is that it can come across a lot harsher then its intended.... no matter how many smilie faces you put after your post .

[Si the Sigh]

Agree with you both there Dan & G-Wizz. :clap:

Ant, I don't think this thread has at any point REALLY slagged off Guy. We have all said we liked his productions, but it seems to have become a bit stale lately. I understand the points about work loads, etc;

[Paul Zykotik]

fair comment's indeed by ant, but at the end of the day i think we are entitled to give our view's on the subject even if we dont own a great studio or write music, the main reason why iv'e been posting on this subject is because i love his music so much

Exactly. How is music ever supposed to progress or change if you don't have criticism? (And, to balance it out, praise) Just because we don't own a studio, that shouldn't mean we can't comment on the output of someone. What spurs people on to do something new and inventive if everyone just goes "yeah that sounds great" to everything they put out, regardless of whether that's their true thoughts or not?

I think if we had all come on here and said "Geezer is shit, who agrees", then anyone would be well within our rights to tell us to shut up and **** off. But from what I can see we were mainly constructive. As Dan says, Guy is an awesome producer and really does have talent. It used to be exciting getting a Geezer record because you didn't know what you were going to hear, and for me that's one of the most attractive things about techno. Now you pick up a RAW record and you know what to expect, you know it's going to be okay but it's not going to blow you away in the way you know he's capable of.

[spiralx]

I agree with Ant in part, but saying that you can't say you don't like his music unless you could make it yourself is utter elitiest crap. If I go to a restaurant and the chef cooks some fancy meal and it tastes like shit, it tastes like shit whether I could cook it or not. Saying that your opinion is only valid if you're an expert is exactly the sort of thing that ends up with the rubbish you see in the Turner Prize - art for art's sake, pure masturbation.

[schlongfingers]

I agree with Ant in part, but saying that you can't say you don't like his music unless you could make it yourself is utter elitiest crap. If I go to a restaurant and the chef cooks some fancy meal and it tastes like shit, it tastes like shit whether I could cook it or not. Saying that your opinion is only valid if you're an expert is exactly the sort of thing that ends up with the rubbish you see in the Turner Prize - art for art's sake, pure masturbation.

I can't see where he said that?

I think he makes a great point about moving on to someone else if you don't like what someone you've previously rated isn't doing it for you - obvious really.

[DJMAYA]

yea i guess what Ant was saying was Tell the Chef the food sux but not saying the chef sux!! get it???

we are all so passionate about our beats.Aint that the truth!

Guy prob really likes the shit he makes, i dont know, i dont know em.
I think hes a bloody genius. I mean he has crossed so many genres and boundaries....i love the Highwire stuff da best!!!

really, if its not your cup of tea then dont drink it.
cos all its takes is another groundbreaking release and its all on again ha.

does negativity have any place in this world??? i dunno......................

[groover'z]

I still LOVE guy's productions!
RAWs are similar, except some of them, but he launched many tunes like the top shelf, which is AMAZING!
I love when he does something together with other guys like Chris or Ant (Powertools 19 is AMAZING!!!)

Hey Henry, where's the Temperature Drop? :love:

[dirty_bass]

Hey give Ant a little slack, he`s sticking up for a mate, and I`d do the same if it was one of my crew.

But I only fell the way I fell about geezer cos he was one of the Guys that got me into techno, and I used to really love the stuff he made. It`s just a shame that his work schedule has hampered his creativity, but also that he has excepted this situation.

[The Overfiend]

This is the first time I've written on a forum. I usually don't bother because I feel most of the opinions expressed by some people concentrate solely on slagging or praising one particular part of the topic and the greater picture is NEVER represented, which is why I want to have a say on this particular thread. My point is aimed at all those people who seem to be loving finding faults in Guy's (or anyone's) music and production. If you think the releases are sounding the same, then thats perfectly fine, but DON'T dare slag him for it. Music and production are personal thing. If you don't get on with a particular style anymore, have a bit of initiative and move on to something you do like. Don't sit there and moan about how tedious things have got.

Formulas work! It's what music is based on. Ok, its easy to get stuck in a rut sometimes and formulas get rinsed, but try writing a live set and then playing it out twice, sometimes three times a weekend, meeting a hectic release schedule for the records and then finding time to engineer for people, who, most of the time rely on YOUR ideas because they've not come to the studio prepared and have no ideas (and apart from a select few, NO TALENT) of their own. Some wannabe DJ's just hire the studio and the engineer to get their names on the records because they think it's the short cut to the big time. These people are leeches, sucking all the creativity out of you. To handle all this is only just managable if you're REALLY on it... and believe me, Guy IS. But he is also human and as everybody SHOULD know, creativity dosen't come from a tap. If you hit a dry patch it can take WEEKS to get back in the vibe of things.

So, why not try and spent the 1000's of £'s it costs to build and maintain a studio and do it yourself. Not to mention the 5 - 10 years it takes to hone your production skills, oh yeah, I forgot about learning to use the equipment in the first place. Then maybe we can all come back in a few years and read what people have to say about YOU!

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