Guy McAffer / The Geezer...

[jonnyspeed]

Well I for one do not have any complaints about Ant's DJing or production... love Powertools and lots of the SUF stuff.

I think in Guy's case it's that people care there is no edge to some but not all of his releases. But to be honest I think that's always been the case - some of the old VCF stuff was storming hit or miss, imo.

Still released two of my favourate records of 2003 - I Love Bass and RAW 9 remixes. Loving Top Shelf and lots of his collaborations.

[jonnyspeed]

...get get yer bitch ass back in the kitchen and bake me a new techno pie.

chop chop.

[LoOopy]

well i agree with Ant 100% , i'm not a dj but know my music and pretty much all the people i hang around with and party with are dj's and a few produce there own shit and i see the work thats put into it and well theres only 24hrs in a day unfortunatly so not just cause some of the arits music is bad that you have to have a prob with him /her if you don't like the music then don't buy it or lisen to it.. lot of people think it's easy to make a track but well 2 of my friends made a few tracks there wicked and well like all the guys at SUF say theres always some thing missin.. or not right for a label but well not ever track made is wicked or has the insperation disierd.. !i still give Guy Props for what he dose and Produces

[dirty_bass]

well i agree with Ant 100% , i'm not a dj but know my music and pretty much all the people i hang around with and party with are dj's and a few produce there own shit and i see the work thats put into it and well theres only 24hrs in a day unfortunatly so not just cause some of the arits music is bad that you have to have a prob with him /her if you don't like the music then don't buy it or lisen to it.. lot of people think it's easy to make a track but well 2 of my friends made a few tracks there wicked and well like all the guys at SUF say theres always some thing missin.. or not right for a label but well not ever track made is wicked or has the insperation disierd.. !i still give Guy Props for what he dose and Produces

I think the point being made is that not enough thought or effort is going into his productions these days. I`m not dissing the guy, I think it`s a shame.
The ethic behind the RAW label originaly was I believe (frontier, forward thinking techno".
And I have heard he knocks out up to 3 tracks a day
The argument that you can`t comment if you are not a producer, is just a little be silly really.

[The Overfiend]

...get get yer bitch ass back in the kitchen and bake me a new techno pie.

chop chop.

Play Nice.

[jonnyspeed]

:lol:

[LoOopy]

I think the point being made is that not enough thought or effort is going into his productions these days. I`m not dissing the guy, I think it`s a shame.
The ethic behind the RAW label originaly was I believe (frontier, forward thinking techno".
And I have heard he knocks out up to 3 tracks a day
The argument that you can`t comment if you are not a producer, is just a little be silly really.

Yeah the point is being made but sayin you have to be a producer to be able to give your coment is wrong cause well first off music is my passion and i don't produce yet starting to but still learning.. and well i can say that the people i'm around aslways ask for my opinion if not i give them positive or negative feed back.. but to sit there and critisize some one just cause not all there tracks are 'Avin It , i find that harsh and rude actuly , for exsample some morning every one wakes up and not wanting to go to work or have no insperation when at work... cause you got alot on your plate or just having one of those days..

Question : there been any threads on Chris liberator with negative critisium about him cause some or a few of his tracks aint'Avin It??
caus i havent seen any postes up to now.. and if so i wanna see whatswas posted to see if it's anything the same as this thread.!

[dan the acid man]

i would say most of guy's track's are avin it!, he always has had a real energy in his tune's, we are'nt on about that, we are on about most of them using the same formula. I will give guy credit though for the shark releases and top shelf

[networkacid]

The more I think about Ant's response, the more I feel I need to say something in response. With all respect to Ant as an artist and producer, I disagree almost entirely with his statement. And to use Ant as example, I buy almost everything Ant does, because it's all innovative, forward thinking music.

Firstly, no one is slagging off Guy as a person, I think that's important to note. I've only met him twice, once professionally (I worked on his first Melbourne tour) and once at a street party. He probably wouldn't know me from a bar of soap. From what I saw he is a great bloke.

Secondly, you're talking about Guy needing to make a living and all that, right. But don't you think it's better for us to TALK about our unhappy experiences with the latest "product" in that case, rather than "voting with our feet" ie. not actually buying the records? Because if it keeps up like this, it will happen, and that would be WORSE for Guy in the long run. IE. If he doesn't sell records, there goes his living, am I wrong? He could be taking this as "consumer feedback." In short, it could be a lot worse, and good things can come of it.

As for the other stuff, well I think it all relates back to that point. We ARE entitled to "slag off" things that aren't up to scratch, and Guy can either ignore it or do something about it, but what is best for Guy in the long run?

The way it sounds to me is that with Guy's busy lifestyle, maybe cutting back on the releases and spending more time on each could be the way to go...

:)

[Metadog]

when it comes down to it personally geezer is one of my fave three techno producers and i can't see that opinion changing for a long time

:love:

[groover'z]

when it comes down to it personally geezer is one of my fave three techno producers and i can't see that opinion changing for a long time

:love:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[davethedrummer]

o.k.
i'm not going to add any thing more to what i have said
but i feel like i've got to make something clear because i've been told off for posting anything about this topic due to the fact that i produce and dj and people might be more likely to be influenced by what i say.
i'm not being a big head ,this is what i have been told by a very good friend in toronto this weekend and after he had his say i had to agree.

so
i'm not issuing a disclaimer becuase i've read what i've posted before and i still agree with what i've said
but i do want to make one thing clear.
guy is a friend of mine and everything i've said here i've said to him personally.(in fact we have discussed this topic at length)
also perhaps what i've failed to make clear is how much respect i have for guy and what he does and i certainly don't want him to feel like i am gossiping about him behind his back.
this was a discussion about MUSIC not about him personally and want to make it clear that i am not having any kind of personal dig at him.

so if anyone reading this thinks i'm back biting then you are wrong.
however i realise that getting involved in ths discussion for me was pretty dumb and i won't be contributing to anything like this again.
the london producers are my family and my friends, and we survive by always being there for each other.
i will always be there for guy and as far as i know he is aware of that and feels the same about me,
so sorry if i caused any offence to anyone or any confusion and most of all sorry to guy if i offended you.

i think i'll stick to topics where i can remain for the most part unbiased.

[groover'z]

o.k.
i'm not going to add any thing more to what i have said
but i feel like i've got to make something clear because i've been told off for posting anything about this topic due to the fact that i produce and dj and people might be more likely to be influenced by what i say.
i'm not being a big head ,this is what i have been told by a very good friend in toronto this weekend and after he had his say i had to agree.

so
i'm not issuing a disclaimer becuase i've read what i've posted before and i still agree with what i've said
but i do want to make one thing clear.
guy is a friend of mine and everything i've said here i've said to him personally.(in fact we have discussed this topic at length)
also perhaps what i've failed to make clear is how much respect i have for guy and what he does and i certainly don't want him to feel like i am gossiping about him behind his back.
this was a discussion about MUSIC not about him personally and want to make it clear that i am not having any kind of personal dig at him.

so if anyone reading this thinks i'm back biting then you are wrong.
however i realise that getting involved in ths discussion for me was pretty dumb and i won't be contributing to anything like this again.
the london producers are my family and my friends, and we survive by always being there for each other.
i will always be there for guy and as far as i know he is aware of that and feels the same about me,
so sorry if i caused any offence to anyone or any confusion and most of all sorry to guy if i offended you.

i think i'll stick to topics where i can remain for the most part unbiased.

Bring us back the TEMPERATURE DROP!!!!

[Si the Sigh]

Fair enough Henry.

I still think people are missing the point with this topic. No one is "slagging" Guy personally, and this isn't some sort of "attacking" thread. Everyone has said they like / love his productions, me included. I just started a topic on something I have read countless times on here & other forums, and wanted to hear peoples opinions. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. All opinions & feedback, positive or negative is good in my opinion.

I like to be told when I am not performing well at something, or something I have done is not up to my usual standard, and I am sure you guys do to. When I am told something was not too good, it helps me focus, and try to improve. Negative feedback is just as useful as positve feedback. Do you agree?

[The Overfiend]

the london producers are my family and my friends, and we survive by always being there for each other.
i will always be there for guy and as far as i know he is aware of that and feels the same about me,

With this said I really want to close this topic, On that note.
Certain people in here shouldnt even have anything to say about Guy based on the fact they have no clue about the first thing about production to tell someone to get back to it. It is amazing how quick someone is to tell someone else about their craft. But if you ask that person to do the same you will receive a blank response. I would really love it it we were more accountable for what we say on this forum, and I am so happy that for those people out there that talk shit, that the producers themselves are coming here to defend themselves. So I commend Dave on his post, I'm happy as a pig in shit that Ant came to defend his boy, and I'm puttin a bolt on this one.