RA: Month to Month - Analysis of Vinyl and Techno...hmmmm

[Martin Dust]

Thats as maybe, but i think techmouse was saying that although vinyl sales are up it really is a drop in the ocean in terms of how many people in the world ACTUALLY can play vinyl.

Are you sure about that tho? Are you just guessing?

[RDR]

Are you sure about that tho? Are you just guessing?

consumer sound systems dont include vinyl players any more martin. And thats no guess.

Vinyl sales are up... from WHERE exactly? You'll have to forgive me as i dont have access to that annoyingly expensive book the industry produces each year with all the figures in. And more to the point what FORMAT vinyl are we discussing here? 12" dance tpye vinyl or 7" Promotional vinyl?

I occasionally go and see a music retailler/distro in york and see what goes out of the door.. the majority of the vinyl is 7" rock/pop records. So it is possible that vinyl sales are up, and again i dont know about your experience with your label and sales - i hope its good of course :)

[Martin Dust]

consumer sound systems dont include vinyl players any more martin. And thats no guess.:)

Don't see that matters to be honest, as I mentioned vinyl sales as a whole are up, so it doesn't seem it matter that they no longer included.

Vinyl sales are up... from WHERE exactly? You'll have to forgive me as i dont have access to that annoyingly expensive book the industry produces each year with all the figures in. And more to the point what FORMAT vinyl are we discussing here? 12" dance tpye vinyl or 7" Promotional vinyl?:)

Vinyl sales as a whole are up. I can't speak for other labels or genre but we are doing just as well as we did 3 years ago.

I occasionally go and see a music retailler/distro in york and see what goes out of the door.. the majority of the vinyl is 7" rock/pop records. So it is possible that vinyl sales are up, and again i dont know about your experience with your label and sales - i hope its good of course :)

It's more than possible, it's a fact. Does something have to be wrong to make it right? I don't see why this fact is so hard to accept.

[RDR]

Don't see that matters to be honest, as I mentioned vinyl sales as a whole are up, so it doesn't seem it matter that they no longer included.

It most certainly does, in the light of what we've been discussin here. We're discussing music content delivery to people who want to listen to it.

Vinyl sales as a whole are up.

Thats avoiding my point there bud, as far as im aware with the research ive done that in the round figure includes those 7" i just mentioned.

I can't speak for other labels or genre but we are doing just as well as we did 3 years ago.

Glad to hear it man! That shows all the hard work you put in. :)

It's more than possible, it's a fact. Does something have to be wrong to make it right? I don't see why this fact is so hard to accept.

What do you mean? Sorry i dont understand the context here..

[Martin Dust]

It most certainly does, in the light of what we've been discussin here. We're discussing music content delivery to people who want to listen to it...

It not relevant at all, like I said vinyl sales are up so more people are listening to more vinyl, fact. I can't tell you if dance/techno is up or down, I'm just stating a fact that proves the above to be not a factor - I mean, how much proof do you need? It hasn't and doesn't make a difference.

The last point was a generalisation that people on BOA seem to focus on the wrong thing and seem to have a desire for something to be wrong so they can moan/justify/fight some cause over and over again on endless threads.

My whole point is that Ro's article is a crock of shit, written to cause a fuss, as RA did last year and the year before, meanwhile our sales our up, we've started doing limited vinyl only and we, as artist are happy with what we are doing and are not concerned with mass consumerism or converting anyone to some great cause, it's all about the music and good music all-ways wins out.

[RDR]

It not relevant at all, like I said vinyl sales are up so more people are listening to more vinyl, fact. I can't tell you if dance/techno is up or down, I'm just stating a fact that proves the above to be not a factor - I mean, how much proof do you need? It hasn't and doesn't make a difference.

The last point was a generalisation that people on BOA seem to focus on the wrong thing and seem to have a desire for something to be wrong so they can moan/justify/fight some cause over and over again on endless threads.

My whole point is that Ro's article is a crock of shit, written to cause a fuss, as RA did last year and the year before, meanwhile our sales our up, we've started doing limited vinyl only and we, as artist are happy with what we are doing and are not concerned with mass consumerism or converting anyone to some great cause, it's all about the music and good music all-ways wins out.

Welll.. on the RA front I completely agree with you, thats the nature of journalism these days it seems. Shock and awe...

or bore.

[Sunil]

as artist are happy with what we are doing and are not concerned with mass consumerism or converting anyone to some great cause, it's all about the music and good music all-ways wins out.

Take the mass consumerism part out for a minute though, that's irrelevant here and we all know it. Of course you set out to convert people in the scene to the 'cause' when you started the label, but that's a few years ago now.. you've overcome that hurdle, so it's not an issue for you anymore. It is for other newer labels though.

I'm with you on most things you've said, but I think you should weigh up your situation against other people's before laying in too much with the fighting spirit ;)

Anyway, I've just started a label myself.. and like some of the people mentioned in the RA article, digital has not been any type of priority for me. This said, a lot of people have asked me and shown a desire to buy releases digitally - so once I fill all those stupid forms out and get IRSC codes etc. I'm going to do it digitally too. The reason is because people have asked, and because I think it's more fair for the artists involved too, to make their music more available. Maybe it won't bring in much money but for this particular project I don't feel I should be too precious about not doing it.

I'm not sure what I think of the RA article; it does pose one or two relevant questions, but y'know, so what? People start record labels because they love vinyl and want to go the whole way - why vinyl lovers and real record labels are being made out to be kind of odd for not having an interest in digital is a bit much sometimes. A record label is a record label, there is only one type really. If that's your dream, then the other options don't really figure. This said, I do understand producers' need to want to have their music heard one way or the other; but I still think the number one aim of most labels or producers, should be to get a record out - it still counts for an awful lot more.

[Martin Dust]

Take the mass consumerism part out for a minute though, that's irrelevant here and we all know it. Of course you set out to convert people in the scene to the 'cause' when you started the label, but that's a few years ago now.. you've overcome that hurdle, so it's not an issue for you anymore. It is for other newer labels though.

I'm with you on most things you've said, but I think you should weigh up your situation against other people's before laying in too much with the fighting spirit ;)

I'm not really attacking anyone, just speaking my mind. I didn't set out to convert anyone to anything or any cause whatsoever - you're either into it or not and I have no influence over what other people decide, project all you want but you'll still be wrong ;)

Consumerism is a state of mind so you can't just say it's not relevant not when people on the threads have been stating clearly they think it's wrong to not do digital and music has a right etc, that's consumerist thinking.

[TechMouse]

I can't speak for other labels or genre but we are doing just as well as we did 3 years ago.

In fairness, Martin, I think that's more a reflection of the variety and quality of the stuff you put out than the health of the industry in general.

[Martin Dust]

In fairness, Martin, I think that's more a reflection of the variety and quality of the stuff you put out than the health of the industry in general.

Maybe but "variety' is a lot harder as some people expect a label to be "just" on thing or sound. I've never really stopped to think about it.