hardstyle(bye bye)

[DJ Pearcey]

It seems to me that hardstyle really is on its way,down here in plymouth hardstyle is starting to recieve a really negative attitude,I cant see this sound staying around for much longer. I know its been said before but I just wanted to voice my opinion.

[Si the Sigh]

It seems to me that hardstyle really is on its way,down here in plymouth hardstyle is starting to recieve a really negative attitude,I cant see this sound staying around for much longer. I know its been said before but I just wanted to voice my opinion.

mate, i know exactly what your saying. i think it all sounds the same and formulated already. respect for having the bollocks for starting this thread! hardstyle in the south west is not happening to be honest. as a resident at a few events in the south west i must say people are not up for the hardstyle sound, with people just wanting to hear hardtrance. i have noticed a lot of DJ's throwing techno into their sets and it going down well...but hardstyle...no no. to be honest i really wish it would go away asap! dont shoot me for that people, its just my opinion.

[Shichi]

I agree with that totally! I'm not trying to be negative but it will only improve the hard trance scene and get more fresh tracks out there, I for one can't wait to here some new hard trance old style (if you get what i mean?!)

[Si the Sigh]

Yep! :clap:

[K Front]

It seems to me that hardstyle really is on its way,down here in plymouth hardstyle is starting to recieve a really negative attitude,I cant see this sound staying around for much longer. I know its been said before but I just wanted to voice my opinion.

I though you was really into hardstyle at the moment?

I know what your sayin though, but when i find a hardstyle track that i like, i really do like it.

Theres just so much shite out there.

[Chazbloke]

:nono:
i think there's plenty more to come yet!
maybe we shall start to see a drift back to the trancier stuff but i hope that it stays dark and harder rather then cheese fest uplifting ahaaaaaah lalala rubbish that was hard trance.
ya cant beat a bit of melody and hardstyle has gone a bit hard housey recently, which is why the trancier folks arent into it as much maybe?

[Tobe Cypher23]

It's just getting going in Leeds, Manchester,Birmingham and from what Mixslag says Cardiff too, also if you look at the Tidy weekender it only just reaching the mainsteam It's only reaching public awareness at the moment and from what I know is hardly played in enough clubs to warrant such a statement.

Can't judge it by just Plymouth. Perhaps the DJ's are caning the wrong hardstyle? Are there too many hardstyle nights? From what I've been told the scene down there is more of a trance scene leaning on the euphoric side which the majority of hardstyle lacks.

From what I've been reading on this board seem like a lot of people are against hardstyle even those who calim they like it With posts like "what is the future of hardstyle" etc which to me is not really the most positive discussion especially for a realtively new scene within the UK.

Also some hardstyle tunes are slated ie people saying cheesy and WTF is going on!!! etc as if one tune means a shift in the entire genre which will lead to it's demise. With a scene so big there's bound to be lots of shite. Don't moan about shite tunes just don't buy em.

Every month I hear full sets of awesome hardstyle and then get to witness the crowd reaction to the tunes.

What I say is give it a chance.

[Pots]

well produced, changing-tempo, rhythmic hardstyle is still my favourite genre of music. there is less and less good stuff being released but i tend to chop it up with older 'classic' hardstyle tracks and some techno.

[Pots]

down here in plymouth hardstyle is starting to recieve a really negative

what has happened to give to you to that impression? Did one set go down badly? low turnout to a hardstyle night? bad reaction to a tune?

[WEZ]

dont even bother listening to artists like Technoboy & B-Boy !

Know whats coming , same beat , same bass , same DOchh DOchh beat break!

[Paul Nisbet]

Im actually quite amazed people are distancing themselfs from it already tbh... i agree its a bit stale at the moment, but that happens with everything. Quite a strong believer in sticking by ur scene and doing watever u can too just get thru the cack stages. But thats easier for me too say as i play a right across the boards in trance and techno, so generally one is doin bad i just get more of the other.

But just give it time, its a cack time of year aswell, pretty sure once the new year comes, and all the producers will come bk wi summit fresh.

[DJ Pearcey]

down here in plymouth hardstyle is starting to recieve a really negative

what has happened to give to you to that impression? Did one set go down badly? low turnout to a hardstyle night? bad reaction to a tune?

well about a year ago it flooded the local record shops and a few local nights in plymouth, and as it got so big so quickly,people have allready lost interest,its very similiar sounding i think lost its way. I much prefer my trance and hard trance now as you can lift and breakdown a set,with hardstyle your just banging all the way through. In my short experience i know people want to here a bit of constructivness from the dj not just a heavy kick all the way through. Theres a certain promoter who hates it in plymouth so it unlikely its going to filter into the biggest club in down here.ssh ssh.

[Voorheez]

But 'the certain promoter' still books M Zone. It's the same 'certain promoter' who entered me into the dj competition last year and then asked me to tone my style down. I'm betting it's also the reason why said club is getting a drastic downturn in customers. I don't think it's that the people don't like hardstyle - they do, just that one promoter doesn't like it, so denies his crowd it.

Personally I don't see that hardstyle is getting a bad rep down here. I don't frequent any of the record stores anymore to be fair, so I may be ignorant to it but as far as I can see, all dance music is getting a gradual decline in interest down here - no other style is really prevelant is it?

When it comes down to it, it doesn't really concern me that much anyway because I believe that a Dj can only truly be great whilst playing the music they love. I love hardstyle, and i'll play it as long as I do. Even if no-one else likes it or has a bad attitude towards it i'll still play it.

[Jay M]

Ii always paly hardtrance mixed with some hardstyle and i will continue to do so no matter if its getting bad press or not.The media have jumped on the bandwagon and the ywont be slow to jump off it again .,**** em if you like it play it dont be led by the whats popular ;)

[Paul Nisbet]

If anyone says too me they hate hardstyle and start slagging it off. I give them the big middle finger.

I cant stand it when promoters try too tell u wat too play... in the end it just makes u more determined too go against wat he has said.

We are not sheep... and i think we have all came too this forum because we are stronger minded and have more passion for wat we believe in.

**** MIXMAG AND **** THE ANTI HARDSTYLE BRIGADE, THEY CAN ALL SHOVE CLUSTER BOMBS UP THE ANAL PASSAGES!!!

[wenna]

i have to agree slightly here! :cry: the new 59 records release did absolutely nothing for me!

i think the the funky (julian dj and davide sonar) style music is still rockin at the moment though :cool:

[Tim Hidgem]

I see both sides of this argument.

I think the main reason that there is alot of shit out there is because of the fact that most (if not all) on the tunes we are playing are Europian produced and to be fair their standards aren't as high as the UK's.

I play a bit in Switerzland and Itlay and the standards are lower including technical ability and music production. The UK has the highest standards in the world so its easy for us to take the piss.

As I'm sure we all know there are some quality trax out there you just gotta find em.

Also I think to much of any one style of music does get boring and will have its day. Building sets with both Hardstyle and Hard Trance works for me at the moment and the crowd it seems. But I would be surprised if I will playing these types of music in say 4 or 5 years time.

[Tobe Cypher23]

**** MIXMAG AND **** THE ANTI HARDSTYLE BRIGADE, THEY CAN ALL SHOVE CLUSTER BOMBS UP THE ANAL PASSAGES!!!


AMEN BRUDA AMEM :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Richierush]

I recon we all just shut upbout hardstyle and enjoy it while its still ere soon its all gonna be cheese and where gonna be beggin for hardstyle to come back :!: :lol: :twisted:

[DJ Pearcey]

But 'the certain promoter' still books M Zone. It's the same 'certain promoter' who entered me into the dj competition last year and then asked me to tone my style down. I'm betting it's also the reason why said club is getting a drastic downturn in customers. I don't think it's that the people don't like hardstyle - they do, just that one promoter doesn't like it, so denies his crowd it.

Personally I don't see that hardstyle is getting a bad rep down here. I don't frequent any of the record stores anymore to be fair, so I may be ignorant to it but as far as I can see, all dance music is getting a gradual decline in interest down here - no other style is really prevelant is it?

When it comes down to it, it doesn't really concern me that much anyway because I believe that a Dj can only truly be great whilst playing the music they love. I love hardstyle, and i'll play it as long as I do. Even if no-one else likes it or has a bad attitude towards it i'll still play it.

I find it hard to stay true to myself when a promoter is blantantly wanting me to tone my style down.

[MARKEG]

imo you have to choose your records properly. ppl aren't dissin hardstyle, they're dissin dj's that are playing totally crap hardstyle same-bass orientated wank for their whole sets!

there's such good hardstyle at the mo and also such bad hardstyle. and tbh you can't JUST play hardstyle at the mo for a whole set in the UK cause if you're a music person, it get's boring.

like always, it's the clever DJ's that shine through :)

[Jay M]

imo you have to choose your records properly. ppl aren't dissin hardstyle, they're dissin dj's that are playing totally crap hardstyle same-bass orientated wank for their whole sets!

there's such good hardstyle at the mo and also such bad hardstyle. and tbh you can't JUST play hardstyle at the mo for a whole set in the UK cause if you're a music person, it get's boring.

like always, it's the clever DJ's that shine through :)

here here ;)

[A-lusion]

maybe hardstyle, as you know it, is getting less popular in england.
but here in holland we have thousands of people partying on hardstyle every week, on friday, saturday and sunday.
Since the first hardstyle parties here in Holland around 2001, it has only grown bigger.
And something that grows bigger gets commercially attractive.
but no.. hardstyle is definately not dying, it's only changing.

[Tim Hidgem]

like always, it's the clever DJ's that shine through :)

Nail - Head - Hit!!

No matter what type of music is the flavour of the month.

Sets containing variety and personality will survive!!

[Voorheez]

You can have variety and personality whilst still playing just hardstyle though. Hardstyle can be very varied, it just takes a good dj to play a varied set.

[ADDI]

You can have variety and personality whilst still playing just hardstyle though. Hardstyle can be very varied, it just takes a good dj to play a varied set.

:clap:

[Sincs]

Umm, if you try mixing Hardstyle with techno and freeform all together, you will come out with a pretty shit hot set IMHO.

For me, if you just play acid tranc, or just techno, the set soon get pisspoor for me, and I walk off to find something different.

For me, a set has to incorporate many different sounds (apart from hoovers) to keep the punters entertained.

[Hakka.]

But 'the certain promoter' still books M Zone. It's the same 'certain promoter' who entered me into the dj competition last year and then asked me to tone my style down. I'm betting it's also the reason why said club is getting a drastic downturn in customers. I don't think it's that the people don't like hardstyle - they do, just that one promoter doesn't like it, so denies his crowd it.

Personally I don't see that hardstyle is getting a bad rep down here. I don't frequent any of the record stores anymore to be fair, so I may be ignorant to it but as far as I can see, all dance music is getting a gradual decline in interest down here - no other style is really prevelant is it?

When it comes down to it, it doesn't really concern me that much anyway because I believe that a Dj can only truly be great whilst playing the music they love. I love hardstyle, and i'll play it as long as I do. Even if no-one else likes it or has a bad attitude towards it i'll still play it.

Agreed mate...

[Tim Hidgem]

You can have variety and personality whilst still playing just hardstyle though. Hardstyle can be very varied, it just takes a good dj to play a varied set.

I totally agree my man.

I think thats why I like Hardstyle so much. Not that I think its the be all and end all of hard dance music cause to be honest its pretty basic but it is very versitile much means you can drop in Hard Trance and Techno and show off your crowd reaction and set building skills.

[mister obedaih]

maybe hardstyle, as you know it, is getting less popular in england.
but here in holland we have thousands of people partying on hardstyle every week, on friday, saturday and sunday.
Since the first hardstyle parties here in Holland around 2001, it has only grown bigger.
And something that grows bigger gets commercially attractive.
but no.. hardstyle is definately not dying, it's only changing.

True words :clap: But im hope we don't get happyhardcore or to commercial hardstyle, i think it's good for the style that it will go a bit more underground again, cause if hardstyle will go on much longer i think we gonna lose the real style :dontevengothere:

[piginabush]

I do know what you are saying, Mr P......

however, I think there will always be a hardcore of hardstyle DJ's here in the SW who will keep pushing the scene, even if the "other promoter (nudge nudge)" asks people to tone down their sets.

[dj vorny]

what promoter is this then thats askin djs to sell out :nono: :nono: :nono: play what u want and love dont play what they want :nono: never give up pushin a style u like :twisted: keep it real boys and girls kepp it HARDSTYLE peace out :shock:

[Voorheez]

I've been thinking about this subject quite a bit since it was mentioned. It's not really very nice to hear that the music you play is now ridiculed by people and disrespected, but I do sort of see evidence of it now.

Personally I think a lot of these people are too into labeling. On a cd I gave out a while ago I labeled it hard trance when in truth 99% of it was hardstyle - it was widely accepted by many more people than the cd that I gave out last, which was labeled as hardstyle. Why? Because people are too put off by a label i've put upon it. Hardstyle is sort of becoming a dirty word in underground circles, but with little real substance behind people's prejudices. The truth is that if I labeled myself as a hard trance dj and still played the same stuff I play, people would enjoy it. It's all in the name.

All these people who were so into hardstyle last month but hate it now are the worst kind of people in dance music - people who are just into fads, what music is the 'in' music at the time (even if it is in underground terms). These people are in it for all the wrong reasons.

[dj vorny]

All these people who were so into hardstyle last month but hate it now are the worst kind of people in dance music - people who are just into fads, what music is the 'in' music at the time (even if it is in underground terms). These people are in it for all the wrong reasons.
innit mate i will milk hardstyle till the cows nipples are sore :lol: naa i know why be bothered what ppl think if u like playing it play it :twisted: :twisted: ;)

[DJ Pearcey]

to true voorheez,your opinion is really valued by me cause your allways taliking sense m8! respect.

It is wrong that hardstyle has become a dirty word in some circles :evil:

Some dj's seem to think if its hard its shit, you know the kind of people I mean the ones that see softer dance music as REAL DANCE MUSIC. :evil:

[Pots]

To me dance music is and probably always has been seperated into categories of what people percieve to be 'intelligent' forms, and those that are 'simple'. Progressive music, techno and breaks are percieved to at the most 'intelligent' end of the scale. For most people, i think trance comes somewhere in the middle (i think this is total bollocks), then further down the scale you have the 'harder' forms - hard house, hard trance and hardstyle. Some people will jump on something that sounds fresh, like hardstyle, before suddenly jumping off it when they realise its 'percieved' as being less intelligent.

I wouldn't deny hardstyle has lower production values than say techno. But since when has jumping up and down on a dancefloor like a monkey been about intelligence.

[Voorheez]

Yeah, dead on m8 - if you have to think 'is this percieved as intelligent?' when you listen, you're being extremely pretentious. Just like what you like and don't worry about other people like (or don't like).

I have a few friends who are into house music and I know that they constantly look down their noses at me for playing what I play. It doesn't bother me, it really doesn't. Personally I can listen to house music and like some of it because I don't judge it on how I think others like it. They would never dream of listening to hardstyle, and I find that quite sad.

[Pots]

Pretentiousness is unfortunately a massive part of the successful club scene up here in Sheffield... On particular nights, me and my friend will be the only people on the whole dancefloor bold enough to bounce around and actually look like we're enjoying ourselves, which is a pretty sorry state of affairs. Sad thing is, this friend is rarely in town and I'm not really into solo clubbing. Smaller nights, where people leave their preconceptions at the door and go for a good time are so much better.

[MARKEG]

wow how this subject is playing on my mind. and how it becomes 'fashionable' to slag a style of music. no matter what genre it is. hardstyle is becoming something that ppl can slag. and the reason being is because there are too many DJ's who can get hold of this 'new' form of music and play it with no passion of skill or intelligence.

i agree with an earlier thing said by mzone, the problem in the first place was creating the genre. then everyone jumped on it. but the italians had to do it to sell music. now ppl have something else to slag. but it was always going to be done. there's nothing we could do to change this.

but now what can we do? we can't disown it cause we love so much about it. we have to find a way through the clouds. just think more intelligently about the way you program stuff. that's what i'm trying to do. don't go for the obvious records. look to the future, not for just now. surely that is going to bring us through????

[Paul Nisbet]

Yeah totally... just gonna ave too spend a couple more hours going thru more music and finding stuff that is that little different and harder too get a hold of.

Its all the better when ur genre comes out of the little dive its having (Everyscene has one) and starts coming up with the goods again, then u can go pack to these dingles and show them how things ave got better.

Lets not forget that i find personally that everything sorta goes quiet just now, and probs will be till feb or something, so im not really pooping my pants too much as there are new hardstyle labels popping up left, right and centre which is class. Think its time some of the bigger artists in the scene take a grip of it and force it into a new direction... ie technoboy, vortex etc . I like both of them but for me have found they ave become a little stale... so once u have a couple of there tunes, u cant justify buying another as it isnt goin too add anything different too ur set.

[K Front]

Totally agree with mark and paul, im always turning records down that i like because i know its the kind of track that all the hard house djs will think is good.
I know you should buy what you like but i dont want to be playing the same music as the tidy boys and all there wannabies.

[DJ Pearcey]

there is alot of passion shining through on this subject, its something which is really effecting me because music is my life and I want to play to the best of my ability with the best tunes. I think like mark said if we stick with it and search harder for unknown tracks then the genre should be ok.

[Pots]

The amount of feedback in this thread goes to show the strength of feeling this genre has. When it first i used to jump around to any old raking bassline, but time has made me (and all of us by the looks of it) more selective. I think with more and more exposure this kind of music can begin to take fans from the established 'hard house' DJs, cos lets face it, HH has got nothing on this.

I never imagine we could reach the size of the Dutch or Italian scenes, but remember its only been a month since the first 'recognised' hardstyle DJ has been in this country to play at a 'large' event (Dana @ Tidy Weekender), and things can surely begin to grow from there. Hopefully.

[sean.demaine]

there's still plenty of good hardstyle about - keep em peeled

:lol:

[Sulphuric_acid]

all i got to say is hardstyle is fukin proper the best form of hard trance out there i luvs the gabba influences of it we ave to let it grow nd expand like all other forms of music jus wait.

n the only ppl i ave ever heard diss the hardstyle music r all the dutch gabba heads n thas only cos sum of the more commercial type of hardstyle is rippin of all the old dutch hardcore tunes n they dont like it.

[Tobe Cypher23]

Thing is any hard music is going to get both positive and negative reactions. That's expected though.

Some hardstyle I've heard recently is too hard for my crowd (even though we play gabba :doh: ) . Too minimal imo...very similar to the stuff played in the third room at Qlub Tempo...very gabba kick orientated with no melody.

I think any reaction is good, from my perspective as a promotor (not a dj)...it's my job to get people to my night so they can change or form there opinions of hardstyle.


but now what can we do? we can't disown it cause we love so much about it. we have to find a way through the clouds. just think more intelligently about the way you program stuff. that's what i'm trying to do. don't go for the obvious records. look to the future, not for just now. surely that is going to bring us through????

As for not playing obvious tunes Mark I disagree I think they are needed. The hardstyle scene in the UK is just getting going and those classic tunes that made the scene in the Dam explode are needed here in the same way. I feel that DJ's are sometimes too concerned with playing the latest undiscovered tunes. The new people entering the scene have to hear the classics.

[MARKEG]

don't agree sorry tobe!!! nowt wrong with classic tunes but hardstyle need freshness, newness and progression. classics all night.. urrghhh.. i'd rather shag a pony. imo of course.

[Pots]

don't agree sorry tobe!!! nowt wrong with classic tunes but hardstyle need freshness, newness and progression. classics all night.. urrghhh.. i'd rather shag a pony. imo of course.

I think Tobe has a point actually. I was listening to some of my old hardstyle sets - Technoboy & Luna live @ Qluptempo (01-06-02), Lady Dana - Live At Mysteryland [17-08-2002] - and they contain all the raw elements that I feel are at heart of hardstyle, but at much more 'accessible' level that I think is more helpful to ease newcomers into the sound. I think people new to the genre being hit with current sound - more polished, more confident, more extreme - are at risk of being put off, cos the current sound is not as easily danceable as the earlier examples of the genre. Im talking about tune like Technoboy - Harddrive, Unit 4 - The Ultimate, Deepack - 100%, Claudio Diva - Ultima Impero... they are simpler tunes with simpler riffs and a raw sound that I think is more accessible to newcomers... Just a thought.

[Tobe Cypher23]

don't agree sorry tobe!!! nowt wrong with classic tunes but hardstyle need freshness, newness and progression. classics all night.. urrghhh.. i'd rather shag a pony. imo of course.

I don't mean classics all night. Thing is Mark you don't go clubbing. You may get bored of hearing the classics as you play them do death up and down the country. But how many times do the clubbers in Leeds get to hear the classics that you have been caning...twice a year (if that cos yer booked up playing fer superclubs :cry: :lol:).

Now what I'm saying is that for the non-diehard hardstyle heads a lot of new tunes aint accessible. The majority of the clubbers in Leeds are like this ie into techno, psy, acid techno, hard house (mainly this) so we have to be and are being careful which hardstyle tunes we are playing. For example it's the equivalent to introducing someone for the first time to gabba by playing speedcore.

So to build a hardstyle scene we need to start from the beginning not leap to where they are in the Dam.

[MARKEG]

yeah but my prob is that if you play old stuff all the time i feel it get's boring. so i try to be as new as possible. i can see how alot of ppl miss out of hearing the good older stuff . hmmm.. well said and i get the point.

ps up yours tobe. hahaha :lol:

[DJ Pearcey]

i still enjoy this genre,very much so,i shouldnt of been persuaded by other peoples opinions of this style. Its still good dance music and i'll keep on playing it.

[majestikmatt]

Have to agree with tobe on this! I went to Tobe's very own Cypher on friday, and it was amazing, the mix of people liking hardstyle. There was Hard house heads and hardcore nutters rocking to Ginge and uberdruck. I think people who are "playing hardstyle" are falling into the trap of buying tunes that supposedly "work". When I play, I don't just bang out all the latest hardstyle, i'll throw in a bit of everything, techno, hard trance, hardcore (usually timestreched to perfection ;)). Tho I like having the tag hardstyle, I don't really want to be presumed to be playing the same formulaic stuff that hasn't really progressed at all in the last 12 months. Ginge's set was brilliant, he threw in a few classics and they made his set more accessible to the crowd. Same with uberdruck, who managed to slip in cuntmaster and sent the place wild!!! I think people shouldn't focus on a particular genre, as this limits creativity, and causes DJs to play the same tunes. For instance, if you went to a strictly hardstyle night, you could in no way expect every DJ to have a completely unique playlist, could you? This is 'cos everyone is trying to be upfront, rather than crowd pleasing. Right, I've probably caused a right stir here, oops.

Matt

[Pots]

very sound words matt, cant disagree with any of that. i think variety is always the key with playing hard music, you can get too much of a good thing if you dont change the style through a set. There are a lot of different sounds underneath the 'hardstyle' umbrella, but I think there is always a need to incorporate techno and sometimes hard trance into the mix to keep the crowd guessing.

[DJ Corbzy]

maybe we shall start to see a drift back to the trancier stuff but i hope that it stays dark and harder rather then cheese fest uplifting ahaaaaaah lalala rubbish that was hard trance.

WTF! Dont talk bollocks man!

[Si the Sigh]

init! :evil:

[DJ Pearcey]

maybe we shall start to see a drift back to the trancier stuff but i hope that it stays dark and harder rather then cheese fest uplifting ahaaaaaah lalala rubbish that was hard trance.

WTF! Dont talk bollocks man!

innit,thats a bad opinion chazbloke......

[Tim Hidgem]

I see nothing wrong in a playing "classics" now and then but the my mission is to get these tunes early on before they become a classic and hopefully become a small part of the reason on why they became a classic.

Everyone can pick up and play a popular tune. No talent in that.

It can be done to death though. Its like Tony de Vits - The Dawn or John Whitemans - Can't beat the System form the Hard House scene. These tunes are still being played week in and week out at Hard house nights across the country nearly 5 years on. :evil:

If Hardstyle was to blow up as big as the Hard House scene did an in return so did our fav labels like: Blutonium, Titanic, Overdose and even GAS would you still play them as classics knowing that every man an his dog are playing them too? Where do we draw the line?

[majestikmatt]

Wow, this must be the first time i've got into a debate and had people agreeing with me! :D

[Voorheez]

When it all comes down to it, a good Dj knows when to vary a set and when the crowd want all one style. A good Dj knows when to drop classics and when to give a crowd a set full of upfront stuff. Some of you guys are trying to set definite rules that really do depend on a lot of circumstances.


A set full of hardstyle may be bad to some crowds, but some will lap it up, likewise the opposite. If you are a good Dj you will know which is the right way to play from reading the crowd.

[Jay M]

When it all comes down to it, a good Dj knows when to vary a set and when the crowd want all one style. A good Dj knows when to drop classics and when to give a crowd a set full of upfront stuff. Some of you guys are trying to set definite rules that really do depend on a lot of circumstances.


A set full of hardstyle may be bad to some crowds, but some will lap it up, likewise the opposite. If you are a good Dj you will know which is the right way to play from reading the crowd.
agreed :clap:

[Carl]

The truth is that if I labeled myself as a hard trance dj and still played the same stuff I play, people would enjoy it. It's all in the name.

if you did that mate i would think to myself ummmm he's got that wrong!!!

if you labeled yourself as a hardtrance dj and played hardstyle, anyone who knows anything would be able to differentiate between the two sounds, know what im saying?. personally im not a massive hardstyle fan. too much of it is forumlated, monotonous, and samey, and to be honest totally mind numbing. i wouldnt say all of it is bad there though - there are some good tracks out there but imo they are few and far between. compared to hardtrance, it doesnt to a lot for me! :cry:

[Pots]

anyone who knows anything would be able to differentiate between the two sounds

Thats not the majority of clubbers tho, in my experience. Especially in underground clubs (again from what I have experienced), the crowd are generally less clued up and more just up for a pounding beat, regardless of its label. I certainly know a few people - even some on here - who have not fully grasped the term hardstyle, 'dutch hard trance' is what some kid called it. Now i reckon what Voorheez is getting at is that the majority of people are influenced by labels, and imo he is right.

[Carl]

im influenced by the sound that goes into my ears and through my body :)

[Pots]

im influenced by the sound that goes into my ears and through my body :)

Im sure you are mate, just think you, I and the folk of this board make up the minority of a population of people who are more influenced by names than sounds...

[MARKEG]

pots your avatar is gay.. i really can't take a word you say seriously looking like that :( hahahahhahahahhahaha

[MARKEG]

can you do summit a little more avin it????

[MARKEG]

jesus god i hope that isn't you in real life.. :oops:

[MARKEG]

sorry man, just ad to say...

[Carl]

jesus god i hope that isn't you in real life.. :oops:

hahahahahaha i just spat coffee all over my computer Mark you cunt! that was proper funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :doh:

[Spooney]

hahahahaa screech powers :clap:

[K Front]

jesus god i hope that isn't you in real life.. :oops:

I just chocked on my shreaded wheat!!! hahahaahaha.. :lol:

[Si the Sigh]

pots your avatar is gay.. i really can't take a word you say seriously looking like that :( hahahahhahahahhahaha

Nothing wrong with a gay avatar man! :evil:

[WEZ]

Srrrreeeccchhhhhh !

I used to fancy the pussy fluff of Tiffany Amber !

Seen her lately !?


Off subject but its me , hahah

[majestikmatt]

is she the one who's in showgirls?

[WEZ]

No that was Jessie , her name was Kelly !

She was nice to in Show Girls , underwater Blower , mmmmmmm

do a google search for Tiffany Amber Thiessen !

[Pots]

jesus god i hope that isn't you in real life.. :oops:

hahahahaha It's Screech Powers, as the boys have said. Its tongue in cheek obviously, I consider myself to be a little cooler than old Screech. Heres my only online picture, from hot or not :lol: : http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=NQNUGER&key=JBD

[Si the Sigh]

phew! you ARE hot! :lol:

[Voorheez]

if you did that mate i would think to myself ummmm he's got that wrong!!!

if you labeled yourself as a hardtrance dj and played hardstyle, anyone who knows anything would be able to differentiate between the two sounds, know what im saying?. personally im not a massive hardstyle fan. too much of it is forumlated, monotonous, and samey, and to be honest totally mind numbing. i wouldnt say all of it is bad there though - there are some good tracks out there but imo they are few and far between. compared to hardtrance, it doesnt to a lot for me! :cry:

But in most sets I do play a bit of hard trance. I go by what the crowd wants and in the club where you would be, i'd play hard trance then move up into a bit of hardstyle to see how the crowd do with it, if not play more hard trance.

I would never ever get the booking if I labeled myself as hardstyle, and you probably wouldn't come see me, but if I label myself hard trance and play a bit of hardstyle, nobody is going to be concerned (as long as I do it well). This is the problem with labels!

[Carl]

cool man i get where your coming from now :)

hardstyle played alongside hardtrance can work really well ;)

[Paul Nisbet]

cool man i get where your coming from now :)

hardstyle played alongside hardtrance can work really well ;)

Personally for me, hardtrance and hardstyle together is the only way to go imo.

For me really, i cant play a full set of Either so merge both...

[Jay M]

cool man i get where your coming from now :)

hardstyle played alongside hardtrance can work really well ;)

Personally for me, hardtrance and hardstyle together is the only way to go imo.

For me really, i cant play a full set of Either so merge both...

thats what ive always done and it always works for me ;)

[Louk]

for me uplifting trance (at +8) into hard trance (at +8) into techno (also at plus 8) is the way to go!

Louk

[Paul Nisbet]

for me uplifting trance (at +8) into hard trance (at +8) into techno (also at plus 8) is the way to go!

Louk

uplifting at plus 6 for me, lmfao!

u get those cds louk?

[Louk]

no mate havent had them yet .

Plus 8 is the way forward :)

Louk

[Jay M]

i usualy find that Straight ahead is the way forward :lol:

[Paul Nisbet]

i usualy find that Straight ahead is the way forward :lol:

all the way forward!

[Carl]

:lol:

[Tim Hidgem]

for me uplifting trance (at +8) into hard trance (at +8) into techno (also at plus 8) is the way to go!

Louk

AArrrggghhhhh! One of my pet hates.

I just can't understand why DJ's play at +8. IMO if it was ment to be played at this speed then the producer would have made it at this speed.

I always think that if I was listening to a DJ playing my records at +8 I'd think wikkid he's playing my track, but he's playing it far too fast.

I think thats why when record producers play DJ sets on the whole they play it so much slower (as close to the speed it was produced at as possible). Especially Hardstyle it just sounds like Hard House when played fast so anything we can do to push away from that the better.

We've adopted a "Hard not Fast" slogan at Religion and its working so well for us. :lol:

[DJ Corbzy]

I try to stick at about +4 - +6 nowadays...

[Paul Nisbet]

i dont ever stray that fast, but i dont try to stick by anything either...

i just go where i go...

[DJ Corbzy]

god nisbet, your such a norm! :lol:

[Paul Nisbet]

AGREED!

:rambo:

[majestikmatt]

:nono: u can't massacre trance at +8!!! It just ain't supposed to be that fast!

[Tim Hidgem]

i dont ever stray that fast, but i dont try to stick by anything either...

i just go where i go...

:clap:

[Louk]

:nono: u can't massacre trance at +8!!! It just ain't supposed to be that fast!

each to their own.
Louk

[Louk]

AArrrggghhhhh! One of my pet hates.

I just can't understand why DJ's play at +8. IMO if it was ment to be played at this speed then the producer would have made it at this speed.

I always think that if I was listening to a DJ playing my records at +8 I'd think wikkid he's playing my track, but he's playing it far too fast.

I think thats why when record producers play DJ sets on the whole they play it so much slower (as close to the speed it was produced at as possible). Especially Hardstyle it just sounds like Hard House when played fast so anything we can do to push away from that the better.

We've adopted a "Hard not Fast" slogan at Religion and its working so well for us. :lol:

Fair play but I was brought up on a solid regime of listening to music faster than it should be and sounds have a certain more energy to them if you speed them up in my honest opinion!!! :)

Louk

[DJ Pearcey]

trance isnt meant to be played at pace,its chilled out dance music, play hardstyle fast but not trance.

[Tobe Cypher23]

trance isnt meant to be played at pace,its chilled out dance music, play hardstyle fast but not trance.

Old skool Hard Trance?

[Tim Hidgem]

trance isnt meant to be played at pace,its chilled out dance music, play hardstyle fast but not trance.

IMO hardly any type of music is ment to be played fatser than the speed it was produced, hence why it was produced at that speed.

IMO Hardstlye sounds much more appealing when slowed down. You get much more of a deep thump and it makes it easier to dance too. Otherwise it sounds to close to UK Hard House for my liking.

[Tim Hidgem]

AArrrggghhhhh! One of my pet hates.

I just can't understand why DJ's play at +8. IMO if it was ment to be played at this speed then the producer would have made it at this speed.

I always think that if I was listening to a DJ playing my records at +8 I'd think wikkid he's playing my track, but he's playing it far too fast.

I think thats why when record producers play DJ sets on the whole they play it so much slower (as close to the speed it was produced at as possible). Especially Hardstyle it just sounds like Hard House when played fast so anything we can do to push away from that the better.

We've adopted a "Hard not Fast" slogan at Religion and its working so well for us. :lol:

Fair play but I was brought up on a solid regime of listening to music faster than it should be and sounds have a certain more energy to them if you speed them up in my honest opinion!!! :)

Louk

I know wot your saying Louk and I like the way you keeping you music the way you were brought up on it. Respect.

If you finding that you need to speed tunes up to gain more energy then maybe its the wrong muisc. Just my opinion.

[Louk]

I know wot your saying Louk and I like the way you keeping you music the way you were brought up on it. Respect.

If you finding that you need to speed tunes up to gain more energy then maybe its the wrong muisc. Just my opinion.

No worries - dont know why but it gives me more of a buzz to hear things slightly sped up.

Louk

[Tobe Cypher23]

Do ya buy hardcore Louk? Nearest thing to old skool hard trance.

I know ya heard CLSM and Clipper both played hardcore.

[Chazbloke]

I know wot your saying Louk and I like the way you keeping you music the way you were brought up on it. Respect.

If you finding that you need to speed tunes up to gain more energy then maybe its the wrong muisc. Just my opinion.

No worries - dont know why but it gives me more of a buzz to hear things slightly sped up.

Louk

tis why i have me vestax! +16 to + 20 all the way ;)
i cant dance hard trance/hardstyle played slowly.. feking pisses me reet off!

[Voorheez]

You lose all the bass though, sounds bad to me

[Paul Nisbet]

You lose all the bass though, sounds bad to me

Yeah when the bass line is shorter, its doesnt ave the same rumble...

not as filthy!

[DJ Pearcey]

trance isnt meant to be played at pace,its chilled out dance music, play hardstyle fast but not trance.

Old skool Hard Trance?

o yeah,how could I forget. :shock: :eh:

I meant club trance.

[Louk]

Do ya buy hardcore Louk? Nearest thing to old skool hard trance.

I know ya heard CLSM and Clipper both played hardcore.

Buy a few hardcore tunes yeah - i like clsm stuff especially hardstyle nation/get up

Louk

[Jay M]

JOHN PEEL IS NOT ENOUGH

[Paul Nisbet]

JOHN PEEL IS NOT ENOUGH


lmfao.

:clap:

[DJ Pearcey]

JOHN PEEL IS NOT ENOUGH

lol :lol:

[Louk]

that tune is amazing

Louk