i really dont think the fact that its schranz has anything to do with it.. theres plenty of good schranz out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DORYL_ROY
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i really dont think the fact that its schranz has anything to do with it.. theres plenty of good schranz out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DORYL_ROY
That was just one of the reasons I gave. Yes I agree there is good schranz out there just like there’s quality stuff with all genres of music and also bad. The point I was trying to make is that why people care so much and feel the need to point out that its not that good when its obvious and why in a scene like the techno scene, which imo is all about individuality and freedom, are there people judging when all that its about is to be free to do what you want and not necessarily feel the need to conform and be bound by the shackles of society.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
ok i think you're going a little far with it now.. its just a crap tune, its not a damning indication of the scene/style whatsoever.
If it’s just a crap tune and that’s that then why should anyone feel the need to make it known that it’s a crap tune. Isn’t it going a little far to point that out? Why does there seem to be a need to put something down and categorize it. Its this fundamental floor that has saturated the techno scene with shit IMO and im sorry if u think im going to far with it but doing things half hearted isn’t my style and if I have something to say and I feel the need to say it, which isn’t often, then I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
this is a techno discussion forum and its a crap tune :whoops:
its not discussing this kinda crap thats bad.
if we ignore it like a naughty child will it go away? no.
so y not discuss it in the place that we're meant to? or is it now wrong to say even 2-unlimited were on the crap side?
this place is just so full of extremists.. what the hell is wrong with saying you like/dont like something these days?
if you say you dont like it you get shot down for being negative and if you say you do like it then theres someone lining up to take a stab at your tastes..
should a forum be one big happy cock sucking fest? or as scott so nicely put it "everyone giving the reach around"? or should it be just a place to come and diss everything.. even when you sometimes have no idea what you're talking about?
personally i'd prefer somewhere in between.
crap tune - end of story.
You have missed my point completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
well then try and explain it in a way that i can understand.
cause what im getting is - dont say anything bad about a tune cause that just makes the scene worse.
no thats bullshit - the negativity that i disagree with is people dissing other peoples work because they're not familiar with the style, they dont like the style or 100 other reasons..
but saying you think a perticualr tune is crap is not negativity.. its just not liking something.
You said
'If you don’t like it you get shot down for being negative and if you say you do like it then there’s someone lining up to take a stab at your tastes'
Which helps illustrate my point. The way people are and how they react to certain things goes against what i believe the techno scene to be about and imo this in turn is making the scene worse. The fact that a schranz tune was made poorly really has no bearing on what im trying to say it was only used as a platform to get my point across. I’m not saying you can’t have an opinion because that would be going against my own beliefs making me a hypocrite. I’m just saying its wrong that’s all.
so its wrong.. but im allowed say what i want.. but its wrong.
your logic is oustanding.
In a new light I actually see the value in this tune, rather ironically for me.
It`s a bit of humour. Which techno really really needs sometimes.
No worse than One night in hackney for it`s sillyness, and nothing to be taken seriously.
It won`t destroy the scene, it won`t give techno a bad reputation, it`ll make a few people laugh, especially if timed just right, it will probably get a whole bunch of people jumping around, and maybe, just maybe this will drag some people into a techno room, who wouldn`t normally be there, and then they might stay once it has been mixed out.
I`m not really a fan of this tune, but I don`t see the point of talking about musical merits any more, because where do you set the line?
what do you beleive the techno scene to be about exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by DORYL_ROY
I agree with most of this except one key bit - "it won`t give techno a bad reputation" - bullshit... it will definately give techno bad reputation, "One night in hackney" did also - it's a joke tune sure, but it makes the everything seem like a joke... the only people that laugh are those that know it's meant to be a joke and this is surprisingly a small proportion... For everyone else, stuff like "One night in hackney" and this shite aren't thought of as jokes because nrg/hard house/cheesyball producers do it without the slightest bit of irony all the time - it only does harm to techno itself and especially the producers themselves... Due to "one night in hackney" and all this schranz remake/remix like that born slippy bullshit a huge amount of people think that is what techno is about, and the people that know what techno is won't go near it - try convincing people (at least over here) that people like Henry, Chris Lib etc make techno... it's an uphill battle when they mention cheeseball tracks and don't get the joke.... people have to remember that people really, seriously produce that shite. **** knows why, but idiots somehow see some artistic merit in it... do a novelty/joke track at your peril...Quote:
Originally Posted by dirty_bass
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If people form their entire opinion about a genre by one or two comedy tracks, then they are the type of person that follows trends, and needs to be told what is cool more than likely.
If they don`t look too depply into things then they are unlikely to ever be more than a fleeting fan of techno anyway.
so who cares.
As far as I can tell with what I know with this biz, no distributer has experienced any negative side effects of cheesy comedy tracks, no club and no producer.
People that know techno, know techno, people that are inquisitive will look further, but as for techno having a bad rep cos of some cheesy schranze? I think we are long beyond that. the average joe still thinks that techno is 2unlimited.
It really isn`t that much to worry about.
And for me to say that takes a lot, as I am a totally pretencious artist.
cheese on toast.
:laughing: omg thats just madness who the hell would buy this shiteQuote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech