okay let me get this straight, everyone who doesnt agree with ya is dick...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
some logic you have there matey....
Schranz excellent as well imo . gotta love thoses white labels.
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okay let me get this straight, everyone who doesnt agree with ya is dick...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
some logic you have there matey....
Schranz excellent as well imo . gotta love thoses white labels.
making fun (putting down) somebody who is trying to have a serious argumentative conversation by purposely misinterpreting what he has to say to make it sound stupid is what i call "being a dick"
and now ure doing the same thing
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Originally Posted by Lag
you weren't making a serious argument, you were "being a dick".
stop being such a crybaby.
You dont like sampling in techno music , I do . . I think your a sound guy and i enjoy your music , I just taught this argument got very childish. music is music its allways been the end result that matters for me and not the way it was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
Wilko is very hard working producer and dj... got respect that even if your not into the way he does it our how it sounds.
this argument got nasty when people started insulting me for my opinion (which happened as soon as i stated my opinion)
and i still dont get the "i dont care how it was made - end result matters!" argument
that kind of attitude would justify cheating and corruption and i was raised to despise those.
1 person insulted you which got your back up. that doesnt mean everyone who disagrees with you is insulting you.Quote:
this argument got nasty when people started insulting me for my opinion (which happened as soon as i stated my opinion)
you dont have to get it. differant people think differantly.Quote:
and i still dont get the "i dont care how it was made - end result matters!" argument
nobody is being sly or trying to pretend that theres no sampling going on.. its out in the open and celebrated, so i think you just need to get over your own issues with it and stop having a go at people for doing their thing.Quote:
that kind of attitude would justify cheating and corruption and i was raised to despise those.
if you dont like it then dont buy it - but dont dis the producer just because you have an opinion on the proper way to do things
the way i see it 3 people insulted me
you would see things differently if u were in my shues i guess
1 person insulted you (2 differant log-ins) and 1 took the piss, which you choose to take as an insult while everyone else can see it for what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
offtopic
i think its time to sort this out and delete one account. 1 person = 1 account. people should know we are aware when someone posts under more than one username and that its not allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
force is krimewave?
now call me daft but i think i can have an opinion and im entitled to seeing things my way. ure all about tolerance, but when i find something insulting u make it seem as i CHOSE to see it the way u do.
u know mate, im just like u guys and i see everything like u do. i even like the same music u do. i just CHOSE not to act and say stuff like u cause i want to be a dick.
last time i checked im not the king of the world, and neither is one of u guys.
i like gay jokes, ok? a lot of my friends like gay jokes too. some people dont take too kindly to those. u dont caress his leg and then go "wtf" when he beats u up if thats the case, and u especially dont do that while hes in the middle of the fight with his girlfriend.
theres a placne and time for anything. i was in the middle of a serious argument with some tension around and the guy pops in and makes fun of me. so now im the dick for taking offence, right?
cant do much about that tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by koma
my firefox wont login as microdot for some reason.
and now safari wont work at all.
I stated in one of the first krimewave posts that microdot and krimewave were one and the same (at the time it depended which browser I was using).
I insulted Lag because he insulted me.
I used infantile and insulting language because I have no time for idiots.
why the fcuk should I waste my time writing well thought out and reasonable 500 word responses to people who are willfully ignorant?
tried that before on here and ended up with some prick called tocsin following me round ("trolling" I think you internet veterens call it) trying to make a fool of me.
I'd rather just call a cunt a cunt and be on me way.
????Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
then be on your way alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by krimewave
well jon you're just gonna have to pick one (krimewave i presume?) and we'll get mark to sort out the other account.Quote:
Originally Posted by krimewave
@ krimewave & lag
as far as the insults in this thread are concerned, its just not on. im not gonna get all heavy handed about it because you both have your own views.. i just want the two of you to quit it.
krimewave - Lag is entitled to his own opinion on the matter and however you may feel theres no need to get quite so personal.
Lag - krimewave is entitled to make music whatever way he wants without having to listen to you calling him a thief because you have some issues with his workflow
and theres no need to get all "but he said this and she said that" - its on plain view who said what to who.. so lets just get passed it.. mmk?
as far as the thing with tocsin is concerned i didnt even see it - can anyone provide a link?
im sorry but what? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
this is nothing to do with someones sexuality. its just about music for gods sake. lighten up a bit will ye?
FFSQuote:
Originally Posted by Lag
I said I was jestin. If you're so thin skinned you can't deal with a bit of banter on a public forum you shouldn't be here.
This a general argument I've heard a zillion times from various camps in various genres. If I make a comment, don't assume its directed at you. Its a public forum and a public thread. This isn't about you, its the topic you raised.
no. go fcuk yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
there were 3 or 4 of us talking about a classic techno record in a perfectly civilised manner until you poked your nose in you fcuking prick.
as for arguments and insults. I'll express myself in any way I see fit, and I'll take whatever consequences come my way.
Lag, if you act like a prick expect to be treated like one.
didnt talk about sexuality at all. i just gave an example how something which is harmless can cause a fuss when applied in a wrong situationQuote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
anyway, i never ordered anyone to stop making music. i just called him a thief. as im gonna call shlomi aber. i certanly am not gonna protest and demonstrate but - what? i cant state my opinion?
lol. for example every edm forum has atleast one topic which has a sole purpose to flame shlomi aber.
only here people go "oh it doesnt matter weather or not its his - what comes out of the speaker is whats important!"
how come fatboy slim never got a penny out of his greatest hits then? cheating lawyers for sure :lol:
@jay pace - feel free to say "hey man, i dont mean u, i mean these other bunch of retards who havent anything to do you guys but just accidently sound something like you". thene i wont be offended for sure!
calling theft a theft isnt being a prick. calling me names for calling theft a theft is being a prick. you could have just said "well, i dont see it that way". i would still disagree but this wouldnt have all gotten unpleasant. get a grip. act up. ure not in high school anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by krimewave
heres the deal lads.. i asked you both to stop, if this goes on you'll both be given a few days away from the site to cool off..
just chill..
im chilled.
i hoped that this discussion was done like a week ago.
Lag, lag, lag, lag, lag......Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
You completely lost the 'theft' argument when you stated its ok to sample from different genres. Dead in the water mate.
How you cant see that, and i imagine you will continue to try and justify it is beyond me.
Now try and salvage just a little bit of dignity and walk away quietly, like a good little Lag.
You're starting to get embarrassing now. :)
wasnt that the polite way you meant to put it darren? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by force
Can we lay off the personal insults please people
nah man. i cant feel embarassed in front of a bunch of guys who think sampling a techno song and calling it ur own is justified and fine. if u dont understand how thats wrong, i dont expect u to understand a lot of things. explaining what i mean and why one is wronger than the other would probably be impossible, especially with cursewords and jokers involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by force
im beggining to realise why a lot of people i respect have left this place.
u lads need to manner up if u want to keep this community alive.
thats a pretty generalizing statement there lag,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
"U lads" - i presume you're talking about the lads who your arguement is with? and if so how exactly are they responsible for the community here? believe it or not, there are a lot of people here with the same opinion and open-mind.
nowhere, in all my years involved with differant types of music, have i ever read a rule that says "you cannot do what you want" - if someone like krimewave chooses to sample a record (whatever genre) he's free to do so, whatever happens over that sample is no business of anyone but himself, how do you know that he hasnt paid royalties? im not saying he has or hasnt but you're sticking your nose in where frankly its got no business being.
critique his music as much as you like, you're entitled to and thats encouraged, but dont question the guy on his integrity & call him a thief.
I feel embarrassed for you... stop it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
yes, i most definetly dont mean u.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
http://www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/copyright/Quote:
nowhere, in all my years involved with differant types of music, have i ever read a rule that says "you cannot do what you want"
have fun
ah, so i dont have the right to have a opinion on anything (especially if its a negative one) untill i do complete and thorough research, and even if im right - who the hell do i think i am?Quote:
if someone like krimewave chooses to sample a record (whatever genre) he's free to do so, whatever happens over that sample is no business of anyone but himself, how do you know that he hasnt paid royalties? im not saying he has or hasnt but you're sticking your nose in where frankly its got no business being.
dude, why are even talking to me? DO YOU KNOW ME? DONT JUDGE ME =))))
lol, i cant believe u actually typed this out. think about it again
see lag, by leaving out a sentence when you qoute me, its very easy to make it look like i meant one thing when i actually said another.
heres the bit you skipped
now where does that say you are not entitled to an opinion?Quote:
critique his music as much as you like, you're entitled to and thats encouraged, but dont question the guy on his integrity & call him a thief.
basically what you did was libalous - you accused him of being a thief without prior knowledge to the situation.
if thats how you choose to air your opinions then fine.. but dont be surprised when you raise a few hairs.
look under the second quote. ;)
yeah got to agree, though i woudln't go so far as to say it's libel...just not very friendly or respectfulQuote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
...big difference between saying "i don't care for it when people use such-and-such samples. to me it's not what i look for or want to see in the genre"
and
people need to be a bit more careful about what they write in life sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by Lag
ok, so you can type a link to a copyright law site. that still doesnt show how you came to the conclusion that krimewave is a thief, does it?
heres a few possiblities to digest:
1. he has paid royalties to original artists on tracks.
2. he knows original artists (remember that krimewave is in techno a long time and you dont know who he's friends with)
3. he didnt pay for or get permission to use samples
now, how can you be so sure without proof that he's a thief?
and more importantly what gives you the right to call him out over it considering that its actually none of your business
unless you happen to be the original artist.. are you secretly 808state?
have a look at the "he is a thief" bit. i think that qualifies as libel?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk
actually what i said is "techno artists sampling other techno artistsQuote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
how sad
like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth"
than i called him a con artist, and only then did i call him a thief.
do you remember: "do you honestly expect someone who's sampled "the punisher" for example to name their track "the punisher" also?
sounds like a surefire way to get your record taken off the shelves or get sued to me." ?
i have a certain opinion about edm "artists" sampling other edm artists. i also have a couple of prejudices, which, unfortunately, i never got wrong.
id really like to see the licence for that sample. and all the other samples inigiton BORROWED lol. ill gladly take back what i said. so...?
didn't see that. but if someone says a person is a thief, and it's not true or there's no proof under the applicable laws, it's libel under UK law. maybe US too, i don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
but if he didn't say "you're a thief," then it's not libel even if implied. then it's just disrespectful.
thats his own words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
im not wilko, i dont know what he has or hasnt got. and i dont need to know because im not the one accusing anyone of being a thief.
so just chill your boots please and drop this because you're goin down the wrong road on this.
haha. quite nicely done, how u made me look like the bad guy again for calling the man a thief two times already (which is wrong, as u say, because how the hell do i know if hes a thief - even though, krimewave, who seems to be better informed about ignition works, suggested that naming the song after the original would lead to sueing). anyway, i seem to be incompetent for further discussing, as im a bad man who does no good, and i would really like to apoligise to mr ignition for calling him a thief, to all involved for saying sampling techno and calling other peoples work ur own is wrong etc etc...
this forum will see me no more. rejoyce!
oh take off the dress you big drama queen.. all im saying to you is to quit the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
I love stealing music and you know what lads, non of ye are safe- you aint gettin' any royalties either. Suck my balls.
dear idiot,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lag
I've been resisting telling you this all through the thread, but in all seriousness, I think you need to spend more time working on your own music and less time spouting off about other people's records.
you are saying that myself and Ignition Technician are trying to pass other people's work off as our own, which is completely untrue.
we sampled a few old rave records and updated them because they were either too slow, or were not well enough produced to play in sets alongside modern Techno trax (production has moved on a long way since the early 90s, even if creativity hasn't).
the records were actually made for our own personal use and nothing more.
most people with IQs in triple figures appreciate and understand the idea, including the original artists, who have all received copies of the vinyl.
the only thief here is you son, because you're a time thief.
and if you ever called me a thief to my face, I would cut off your balls and stick them up your ass (and then take your wallet).
but, of course you would never say it to my face, I know because I've encountered your kind a million times before on the internet (that's the only place you ever find them because they lack the stones to mouth off to people in person), and you all respond in the same way when someone points out what a cunt you are.
you've come on here and insulted people by calling them sad and retarded and then cried like a baby when you've got a bit of stick back.
I've met crackheads with more character than you to be honest kid.
have a word with yourself for fcuks sake.
to everyone else:
please stop quoting this philistine, because I'm putting him on my ignore list and I'd rather not read his tedious snivellings in other people's posts.
assuming I don't get banned of course.
I dont think you'll get banned jon.
This discussion is a little silly. Sampling is just one tool in the armory of any producer, as long as the samples are used in an interesting way i really dont see the problem.
Licensing is an issue for publishers and record labels, not for people having fun with music.
I compelety agree with this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Microdot
same way i buy some schranz remixs of techno tracks to be able to fit them into a mix