The MP3 question.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

People in the techno industry who give a shit about piracy are just like most other people. They never cared until it affected them. It was perfectly ok to pilfer sampler after sample, pirate software for creativity purposes, sell drugs to buy gear, and use a pair of bolt cutters to use someone else's property to throw a party. Let some years pass where people can go a bit more legit, and all of a sudden it's no longer cool if they are the other guy who has to deal with punks acting like they did. I still don't think this justifies any person pirating anything, btw. But, for people who will break laws to do what they want, they have no soapbox to stand on for this issue.

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Man hitting the nail on the proverbial head is your forte! Such an excellent point. Now that many are "grown up" and/or "legit" they are calling the kettle black. I don't defend pirating of underground music either, but let's be realistic here and note the hypocrisy that exists.

As a side note, I may get totally flamed for this, but ITS MY OPINION. The major record industry conglomerates whine and produce press that they are "losing major revenue" from shared music. However, what they don't note is that their profit margins are still growing every year! Yes, this is a fact and you can research it at any of the major financial websites. ( www.bloomberg.com www.forbes.com ) In 2002 EMI said they lost something around 8-9% in CD sales, yet their profit margin was still up 13% for the year! So boo hoo to them...I feel that's what they get for forcefeeding the market (at least the American market) with a wave of factory produced boy bands and shitty rappers. Its power to the people and as long as the product sucks sales will go down anyway, which is exactly what has been documented as the major reason for the decline in sales! Not the pirated/shared music files, but there has been a shift in the quality of music being released and the public is responding by refusing to purchase it!

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Originally Posted by TechMouse

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

what could they really sue you for??

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Damages.

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how much cas/damage could a techno track get them......i doubt it would be worth it.

we sampled clint eastwood
i hope he doesn't come round looking for damages
man with no name.....yikes!

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Originally Posted by davethedrummer

we sampled clint eastwood
i hope he doesn't come round looking for damages
man with no name.....yikes!

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so, do you feel lucky punk?



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Originally Posted by gumpy green

how much cas/damage could a techno track get them......i doubt it would be worth it.

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Ask the KLF. ;)

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Originally Posted by davethedrummer

we sampled clint eastwood
i hope he doesn't come round looking for damages
man with no name.....yikes!

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lol.

klf- who sued em.???

mind you they prob made a fair bit of cash in the day...

yer average underground techno record aint gonna make that much, maybe £1000 if you real lucky, so say that was the case, then they could surely only get a max of £1000 outta ya :scratch: :scratch:
not worth worrying about IMO(if this is the case)

I tell you what is a more damaging thing to techno than mp3s, labels that don't pay their artists...

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

who would care-
say you ripped of bad by micheal jackson and did release it on a proper label and sold 500-1000 copys.

what could they really sue you for??

200 quid......so fuks

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test case:
Si Begg vs The beach boys (True story)

Beach boys lawyers: hello we're representing the beach boys, and we understand you released a record with an uncleared sample from our clients, how many of this record did you actually sell?

Si Begg: oh, about 5000.

Beach boys lawyers: oh, oh, ok, we'll be in touch... click brrrrrrrrrrrr...

basically they are not interested unless there is serious money to be made i.e. a lot more than off 5000 records

just what i thought.

and even if they did go for it i doubt it would be any fee that couldnt be payed so id defo not have a problem sampling stuff.

id just be like take the 500 quid and fuk aff.....then id sell more crack and be back on top. ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by crime

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

who would care-
say you ripped of bad by micheal jackson and did release it on a proper label and sold 500-1000 copys.

what could they really sue you for??

200 quid......so fuks

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test case:
Si Begg vs The beach boys (True story)

Beach boys lawyers: hello we're representing the beach boys, and we understand you released a record with an uncleared sample from our clients, how many of this record did you actually sell?

Si Begg: oh, about 5000.

Beach boys lawyers: oh, oh, ok, we'll be in touch... click brrrrrrrrrrrr...

basically they are not interested unless there is serious money to be made i.e. a lot more than off 5000 records

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sweet....i'm goin straight to the video store c what i can find. Now where's that 'Warriors' DVD? :-)

I wasnt so much thinking about samples from things like the beach boys or clint eastwood as I was thinking about people who sample other techno tracks to make their own techno tracks - think ignition technician as a prime example. They may well clear their samples I dont really know, but there are plenty of things that get released with that sort of sampling in them, that dont get cleared.

Anyway its just a thought I had, I dont really care that much, as I said I've sampled all sorts, and dont really care about clearing it, but one thing I will say is I've never sampled another techno track, all my samples come from other genres of music, and the artist will probably never know, so I dont really care.

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Originally Posted by sash

sweet....i'm goin straight to the video store c what i can find. Now where's that 'Warriors' DVD? :-)

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man, that's the kind of priceless film you gots ta OWN!

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Originally Posted by gumpy green

klf- who sued em.???

mind you they prob made a fair bit of cash in the day...

yer average underground techno record aint gonna make that much, maybe £1000 if you real lucky, so say that was the case, then they could surely only get a max of £1000 outta ya :scratch: :scratch:
not worth worrying about IMO(if this is the case)

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I think the better question to ask is who HASN'T sued the KLF. ;) But, anyways, there big music lawsuit involved "What Time is Love." The offending sample that basically got another person ownership credits in the song? Some bullshit quick vocal snippets from a Wanda Dee album. She sued, settled out of court, claimed that she was "responsible for their hits" and "co-wrote the songs" and even began touring as "The KLF feat. Wanda Dee." So, there was one particular artist who didn't like getting sued and fought back in a way that every musician industry whore would envy. ABBA sued them as well and they had to destroy their recordings as a result. I'm sure you can find more if you do a search online.

Now, as for the "underground" component, how do you know if your song is going to be a hit? Or, if one is the type of person prone to bitch about people stealing one's music, why is it ok to steal from others? The answer is what I posted earlier. A good amount of techno musicians have turned into hypocrites or a sad parody of what they used to be. Then, some just jumped in with the same intentions of every other artist in the mainstream industry that wants to make a buck first and foremost. I kind of like the fact that the KLF, after sampling the shit out of so many people, often in some pretty obnoxious ways, burned a million pounds that they made through their music. There's a fun statement. And then there's people more like us who piss and moan about losing a few cents here and there when someone downloads a track they pasted together holding unlicensed slices of music belonging to other artists. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" or something like that. ;)

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Originally Posted by tocsin

I kind of like the fact that the KLF, after sampling the shit out of so many people, often in some pretty obnoxious ways, burned a million pounds that they made through their music. There's a fun statement. And then there's people more like us who piss and moan about losing a few cents here and there when someone downloads a track they pasted together holding unlicensed slices of music belonging to other artists. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" or something like that. ;)

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Originally Posted by tocsin

And then there's people more like us who piss and moan about losing a few cents here and there when someone downloads a track they pasted together holding unlicensed slices of music belonging to other artists. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" or something like that. ;)

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Awesome. :clap: