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Originally Posted by Chis

+1... billion. Vinyl prices are hideous. £8 for a 12" with two tracks and about 15 minutes of music, is it any wonder why people complain?

Oh and why wasn't my other post accepted? I know BOA is music-orientated but the link I posted was relevant! My admittedly non-musical contribution to the "disliking minimalism" crowd: http://casimirsblake.deviantart.com/...rali-141578980

Personally I feel minimalism has become an excuse for poor production, stretching barely-developed musical ideas across tracks that shouldn't be 1 minute, let alone 7. And dare I say, lack of talent or composition ability? Deadmau5 and his ilk can't write melodies or basslines worth a damn. On the other hand, whilst I don't enjoy everything Rob Babicz has put out, he is a happy exception to this.

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Actually, as much as I dislike his music, DeadMau5 is pretty good at producing a variety of genres, to a reasonably high standard, in a very effective way.
I just don`t like it.

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

said this a lot in the past, but there is too much of a "track" mentality in techno, not enough of a "song" mentality. people make things with the dancefloor in mind, which is fine, but a lot of producers just crank out product without much thought about how this will stand up over time, or how it will be memorable amid a glut of similar product.

this isn't a new development in any way, shape or form, nor is it unique to techno. but techno isn't new and fresh now either.

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I agree I have been saying something like this for quite awhile there is lot of producers out there who have tracks that have no structure when I work on a track I always try to make it structured so it sounds more interesting I look at it as telling a story you have a beginging a middle & an end

there is too many tacks out there that have no soul if you know what I mean?

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Originally Posted by gunjack

pastelèro totÃ*l

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si, pero la ultima harina por el harinero techno es:

http://deleite.es/productos/Harinas/...Blancaflor.jpg

(that logo...WTF?!!?)

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Originally Posted by Darkmode

there is too many tacks out there that have no soul if you know what I mean?

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I agree with this, but there's something tedious about hearing the same story endlessly. And there something refreshing about not really having a story, there's no expectations, predictable builds, drops, woosh woosh cliche's etc.

But go too far down that road and you get a load of dull 6 minute loopy "dj tools" where there's not even a nod to structure.

Some sort of balance needed I guess.

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Originally Posted by Jay Pace

I agree with this, but there's something tedious about hearing the same story endlessly. And there something refreshing about not really having a story, there's no expectations, predictable builds, drops, woosh woosh cliche's etc.

But go too far down that road and you get a load of dull 6 minute loopy "dj tools" where there's not even a nod to structure.

Some sort of balance needed I guess.

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except that "storyless" techno dj tools are a dime a dozen, and have been for 20+ years.

i count predictable buildups and other cliches part and parcel of what it means to be a "track" and not a "song." honestly, i don't think it's at all about how many changes occur or how much stuff is in there. a lot of the most captivating, timeless techno i know is minimalistic and highly repetative. take maurizio, for example. still sounds great.

to me, it's a question of whether the music has something to say beyond BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-SQUELCH, whether it says something that wasn't said 5, 10 or 20 years ago, and whether or not it might be worth listening to 5, 10 or 20 years down the lane.

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Originally Posted by slaviksvensk

si, pero la ultima harina por el harinero techno es:

http://deleite.es/productos/harinas/...blancaflor.jpg

(that logo...wtf?!!?)

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a pastelero in spain is someone who likes marco bailey and tom hades etc

*shudder*


Marco Bailey is a plonker. Kissing his 'Muscles' behind the decks... wtf?

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Originally Posted by DannyBlack

*shudder*


Marco Bailey is a plonker. Kissing his 'Muscles' behind the decks... wtf?

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him and tom hades were fairly decent at awakenings. but yeah kissin his muscles behind the stage ha ha!

ask marco about the yacht party and the bilgewater....

This conversation is like some mnml loop stuck on forever :) Has it charted on Beatport yet lads?

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

said this a lot in the past, but there is too much of a "track" mentality in techno, not enough of a "song" mentality. people make things with the dancefloor in mind, which is fine, but a lot of producers just crank out product without much thought about how this will stand up over time, or how it will be memorable amid a glut of similar product.

this isn't a new development in any way, shape or form, nor is it unique to techno. but techno isn't new and fresh now either.

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your obviously listening to the wrong techno then, or not looking for good stuff hard enough.

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Originally Posted by gunjack

a pastelero in spain is someone who likes marco bailey and tom hades etc

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http://www.uned.es/experto-industria...g_harina03.jpg

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Originally Posted by basslinejunkie

your obviously listening to the wrong techno then, or not looking for good stuff hard enough.

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sorry, mate...there's just not lot of it there. some, yes. a lot, no.

but by all means, post 'em if you got 'em.

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Originally Posted by SlavikSvensk

http://www.uned.es/experto-industria...g_harina03.jpg

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I recently got a part time job as a baker.

I really kneed the dough.

your time here will count towards your apprenticeship

The apprenticeship is a must at the moment, I'm on the bread line.

oh dear god make him stop

Moanimal

why did the baker have brown hands?

cos he needed a poo

:lol:


A toast to you sir! good joke.