im doing a mix as we speak on Acid Pro 4.0 and it really aint that easy, trying to get everything mapped perfectly is bloody hard!
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im doing a mix as we speak on Acid Pro 4.0 and it really aint that easy, trying to get everything mapped perfectly is bloody hard!
cheat
:tongue: :lol:
I dunno who says that nowadays unless they are using shit quality mp3s which have been badly ripped from someones dirty vinyl collection. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
Only thing I have ever said in relation to some digital mixes is that the bass is lacking and the highs are too sharp. Which can be fixed if the DJ bother his ass or cant be left alone if he doesnt give a **** about what I say ;)
Anyway. As sunil said. If its broke dont fix it. I enjoy buying vinyls and playing them as they tend to sound better than a random collection of songs, at varying bitrates ripped from soulseek and mixed in abelton. You see. If its a load of highquality MP3S mixed on abelton with a decent soundcard there is no problem for me (and for Sunil)
The way i see it in the 90s you could have shite djs but the sound coming off the record most likley gonna be prety good.
Now you have some shite djs not caring about the sound quality of what they play coming out of the onboard soundcard of a dell laptop (i have lots of experience of this). Thats were some of us get annoyed.
Yeah, but when is that ever the case? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
Well yeah, that is a bit ridiculous alright. It's not even snobbery, it's just a bit silly really. I still like those people though, they mean well!Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
Rob Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
But even listening to his (amazing sets) online I still find the bass or oomph lacking and the highs to high. Maybe thats just me.
you've obviously not heard my attempts at playing vinyl lately :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
Ok, there might be a few exceptions maybe, but not many!Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
I thought Rob was equally good if not better on decks, but yeah I agree that he is getting a good buzz going with his laptop alright.
You're just out of practice, that's all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
Never heard him on decks. But his laptop sets are as much about selection (easier hunting down obscure stuff in the digital age?) as mixing I reckon. Missing the oomph I say. But still excellent stuff. I dont know of other who are as good, but you sure couldnt tell the difference with Dave Clarke since he started using the CDJs and Wavs\MP3sQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunil
Ive seen BMB at least three times banging it out on abelton and I dunno why I just dont like the sound coming from it. Their sets are good but again (maybe from nostalgia) is to fecking digtal\abelton sounding for me. I dunno why. Its lifeless sometimes. Then again others think their sets are the best out there,
again its all how they prepare them
a lot of people just bang tracks and loops out with loads of fx without thinking bout the output sound from the master
a high quality analog modelling compressor and eq can make a world of differance.
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Originally Posted by rhythmtech
yeah but thats the problem, alot of people arent thinking about the output sound of the mixer because before they didnt have to worry about it!
You dont need a high quality analog modelling compressor and external eq with a set of decks.
which is exactly why some sets lack punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
ableton is all to easy for every tom, dick & harry to just plug in and play - no understanding of how differant sounds work on differant systems.. but thats why the cream always rises.
we know this from vinyl too - sure, any joe soap can get a gig playing records, but he has to be good to get a second one.
im pretty sure that if my digital sets sounded flat and lacking oomph i probably wouldnt get 1/4 of the gigs that i do. but i make damn sure that i take the time to make sure they sound good.
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Originally Posted by rhythmtech
I know that. You care about the sound. Its going through a proces of evolution at the moment. Its getting there.. but for me its not at the stage where every tom dick and harry can start digital djing and the *sound quality* is consistently savage.
Weve all had experience of shitty soundsystems. But now there seems to be the added worry of shitty sounding mp3s being pumped through a shitty system where as before you could at least be certain that the bits inbetween the trainwrecks were good quality! Aslo in the 90's you could be pretty sure that a release was mastered by someone who knew what they were doing, nowaday thats process is getting overlooked quite a bit with *some* digital releases. If you aint making the money of digital releases like you did on vinyl then you are gonna have to cut corners somewhere
One other thing about vinyl is the social aspect of it. I love going into a shop and chatting & meeting new people and talking face to face (not on the keyboard) about music. Seeing their facial expressions and shit. And its great when mates call around with bags of records and play music for each other. Its not the same if the all call up with laptops and nobody has a clue how to dj on the other persons setup (nevermind where their music can be found on the hardrive) and everyone spends more time ****ing with their own laptop then enjoying the communal hippy vinyl music buzz. ;)
i still do that.. i just dont spend any money in the shop :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
nothing more fun than wasting sunil's time and then walking out empty handed.. even better if you make him reach up for the vinyls that are up high :lol:
i think its also to do with playing my own tracks in wav format. if i was to play shitty low quality mp3s alongside them they would sound gash!Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
:laughing:Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
WAV Purists are full of shit. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
everything is shit for maxell 90 minute metal tapes with dolby NR..Quote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
although the 120 mins were cool they lacked the sound quality
sack it off and do the mix in abletonQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyBlack
danny's a bit too simple ableton.. he likes schranz init.
Yeah Danny you need to get yourself a copy of Simpleton Live 7.0
:laughing:
For the record a copy of Serato is on my list of thing to buy this year.
You better hope our crocodiles are in good form next time you step into the shop! I'm not so sure though, we haven't ejected any 'food' down to them in about 3 weeks..Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
must get it my self .handyQuote:
Originally Posted by massplanck
I have no decks, ****in grim. Ableton is easy, hence the reason Barry "Talagh" Murphy uses it.
Is it true that "DJing for dummies" comprises only of a copy of Ableton?
1st of all its "tallaght"Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyBlack
2nd - i actually live about 30 minutes from tallaght.. so :tongue:
yeah.. but what i use is called "djing for REAL dummies" - it has 25% added simplicity!Quote:
Is it true that "DJing for dummies" comprises only of a copy of Ableton?
ouch.. ill remember that next saturday week in cork. when im on stage and you're looking up wishing you were as cool as me..Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyBlack
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: f*ck off... sure would be nice to be hammering out some tunes, ah well, i'll stick to gazing up at you in awe.
Although, wait now....
Nope... I was going to do a youtube comparison of who is cooler, but there is significantly more people in yours...
hahahahahahaha!
eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyBlack
who is cooler?
me: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-f73l9F6YGI
you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wVX2oQTNYgE
live at nuclear free zone in 414.. sound is pants though!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Uf2UOQTrbk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RYhe9W7B0j0
:lol: :lol: :lol: look at zoid dancin!!!!! :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyBlack
wicked looking club!!!
Neilstown?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhythmtech
:laughing:
Bally Mun! :lol:
barrymun. :laughing:
:lol: The height of scumzville.
yawn..
i wouldnt tell you where i live danny cause you'd only move your waterford caravan up beside me and try to sell me a carpet or a dag!
Id try and finger you. Then sell you a gate that I had just pilfered from your neighbour. Bass.
My ears are ****ed and i'm only 24, constant tinnitus and hi freq hearing loss in my right ear...dry, So I decided to take steps against this horrible affliction, cus I'm NOT going to lets this wank ringing in my ears get between me and the music I love...
So...
I bought Ableton a few months ago because its easier to protect my ears when playing out... I DO miss vinyl and respect dj's who keep it real...BUT...using software and MP3's is very convenient...Instead of buying a record with three shit tracks and one stonker I can be really selective about tune purchases with worring about cost.
I will always love vinyl, the feel of it (and the sleeve art especially) but before you diss dj software at least give it a whirl...its warped my fokin head and I don't worry so much about my ears.
Ableton Live opens up so many possibilities that most DJs just can't cope with it. As stated manymany times, it only removes the "challenge" of beatmatching, and you can even simulate that by changing the quantize settings and assigning a controller to the clip scrubbers.
Seriously, I just don't get this idea that Live does everything for you. You still need to have a good track selection, know how to transition the tracks well, how to EQ, etc..
If you're an acid fan, imagine having Bassline params mapped to a MIDI controller. You can have a virtual 303 wailing over 4 tracks all at once. There are no limits beyond imagination, while most vinyl jocks are limited to the house setup of 2 decks and a mixer.
But this is all tired by now. Some people just take longer to come around.
Its all about getting a more intricate hands on approach imo. Limiting one's self to any software for djing (and i suppose live too) is sacrilege. why?
anyway by the end of it all we'll be controlling some form of serato or ableton with oor brains without even having to lift a finger.
cavemen style bongos ftw
Embracing & using new technology is what techno is all about for me & the core principle of this style of music. I'll use any 'format/bit of kit' to push noize onto the dance floor.
I have't read the whole 13 pages so I don't no if the following area has been covered.
The only issue I have with the die off of vinyl is the die off of local record shops that support local scenes. My experience of record shops is that you could find out where the local parties were going on, meet other DJs who were into the same sound as you, put your flyers in there for your night, etc, etc, etc.
With buying tunes online you don't seem to get so much partisipation in the scene & I worry that music scenes will die off as a result of online selling.
Yeah, that's a very good point. As we move ever closer to the "futuristic" vision of autonomous, secluded life in our connected homes, we really lose a sense of community. This has definitely happened in dance music, due partly to the death of vinyl shops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Igneous
Unfortunately, vinyl by nature is limiting for a DJ. So people who embrace technology will clearly move beyond it. I still have hundreds of records, but some venues don't even have turntables now. I play some gigs where they don't even have CD decks.
Formats like Laserdisc and vinyl were doomed from the start due to the natural progression of technology. Things get smaller and smaller, they don't stay the same size. End of.
The biggest problem was that many MANY artists and labels ignored the coming tide, both mainstream and indie. They had years to get a digital system in place, but chose to march forward with blinders on.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. TECHNO is short for TECHNOLOGICAL. Its essence is its ability to advance with new technology, hence why all electronically created music was called techno back in the day. Personally i love vinyl and i am saddened to think that it might die but the point is that techno should advance with new technology and eventually artists won't be releasing vinyls (due to the limitations). So software like ableton is the way forward. That being said, it doesn't mean that other formats are wrong or bad, they're just outdated. There will come a time where people who still spin vinyls will be refered to as classical djs. I definately agree that theres something special about having a vinyl of your favourite tune in your hands which you cannot recreate with mp3 and I'm gonna keep building my collection, for the sake of having a collection of vinyl.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_psychologist
By the by check out this badboi (for those of you who like to combine cd/mp3 with ableton)-----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izLK7_9X1DA
Also i agree with Igneous about the whole shopping experiance. I hate that shops generally are being consumed by the ever growing internet market. Its such a better experiance to be in a record shop surrounded by fellow music lovers and vinyls.
The thing about digital files is that you can develop the same collector mentality to some degree. My goal with my archived tunes is to have a WAV, FLAC, or 320 lame-encoded MP3 of each, with proper tags, key, BPM, etc., and I will not settle for anything less. Once you finally have that file, it actually does mean a bit more than nothing.
To give you an example, I have been in love with this Microwave Prince tune called "Solar Eclipse" for years, and, when I went digital, I hunted the CD single down, bought it, and ripped the track myself in the best quality. It sounds so much better than old, worn vinyl, and, because it's so clean, it sits comfortably in the mix next to tracks that are much newer.
I personally dream of the day when a single HD can hold all my favorite books, music, films, etc. because then they will always be on hand. As it is now, I have them divided between several locations, and it's rare to get back at them. Technology will lead to great simplification in some areas, one being the organization of our media.
vynyl you can beast and be agressive , cd j you have to be delicate and treat like your wife , abelton well loosers come to mind except for the guys who are using it to play there own stuff , they are exempt
hehe I've come round to ableton, simply because I couldn't lug all my vinyl with me when I left UK. I couldn't take my decks either, so final scratch wasn't an option so all you're left with is traktor or ableton.
Most people aren't using ableton to its potential yet, but then people didn't exactly use turntables to their potential when they first came on the scene. They'd been around for decades before someone had the magic idea of using two of them AT THE SAME TIME. 30 years later people are still pushing it...
There's a lot of lazy abelton djs out there being boring, but I think the tech itsself is great, opened up djing to parts of the world who were never going to get a chance otherwise.
For me thats the best thing about digital - it made music accessible to people who would never have had heard it otherwise. All well and good demanding that people should buy a treasured copy of a limited 500 press of vinyl, but so long as that mentality exists techno is going to be limited to the distribution of the vinyl it comes on.
Telling some kid earning 70 pesos a day he needs to save up for 45 years to buy decks, then spend a months salary buying a few records a month seems a bit dumb, and I'd rather there were people making and playing music on all corners of the planet instead of just the lucky priviledged few...
I recently started dominating Ableton. I like it.