Hardstyle & Hardbass.....

Okay so I've been hearing the term Hardbass for a while now and it's taken me this long to find out what's goin off...

1) I'm not really into all the pidgeon holing business I'd rather it go under the Hardstyle banner as it just sounds *sweeet*.

2) Hardbass is the stuff with the heavy gabber like kicks and no wwwwoomp basslines... But if this is the difference between hardstyle n hardbass where do you put a producer like Deepack????? Here's Johnny is definately Hardstyle, where as DownLow is Hardbass??? **** knows.

People shouldn't even try to put an artist to one style anyway but **** knows why they always try to.

I think it's all bollocks, **** pidgeon holing its all about bein unique at the end of the day what do you lot reckon?

Haha this posts a bit all over the shop I just read it back but hope some of u see where I'm comin from!

Tom

Totally totally agree with ya mate.... i hate pidgeon holing. (nice term for it too!)

Seems Mzone refers to it as Hardbass on his Industry flyer, I remember all the shit he gave me on this forum when I called NEO.... Hardstyle Fusion/all that Mixmag shite.

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Well I count the Word Hardbass not as a genre but as the Bass Kick

tunes Like Hard Bass Extreme is a good example

I never really Minded the Pigeon hole Hardstyle, Because its completly different to hardtrance so really it needed to be named under a sub catergory in my opinion!!

But Spliting Hardstyle in 2 catergories is just Stupid (leave it as hardstyle and not Hardbass thats just the Kick in it)

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Originally Posted by Tobe Cypher23

Seems Mzone refers to it as Hardbass on his Industry flyer, I remember all the shit he gave me on this forum when I called NEO.... Hardstyle Fusion/all that Mixmag shite.

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heh...yea, i didnt like his comments aimed towards your night either...

anyway, i do see/understand the need/want for new names of stuff..
when hardtrance was becomming harder and less melodic etc, a new term was needed to differentiate that style/sound from the normal hardtrance...
same could be said for HardBass, it's an evolution of a sound, which is now becoming more popular and needs it's own identity.....just as Hardstyle did...

This is gonna confuse the **** out of people.

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Originally Posted by Addict

This is gonna confuse the **** out of people.

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oh yea, no doubt....
just look at the world of *core...
doomcore, speedcore, breakcore, hardcore, gabba, industrial...
to me, all sounds the same , but to those in the know, quite different types of music.
then ya got ur technos; acid, hard, minimal, loopy, wonky etc etc...

You could quite easily say hardbass is the term for the raking style of bassline that distinguishes hardstyle, but i think its a pretty gay word, so im gonna stick with hardstyle.

It is true there are new genres within hardstyle - melodic (Pacific Link - Planetary Collapse (Luca Antonlini mix)), dark (Mclaren - Monoid (Hardstyle mix)), techy (Luna - In Control), bouncy (Hardnation - Humanoid (Gary D Hardbass mix)) blah blah blah blah blah... who gives a shit, its all hardstyle to me, cos of the distinguishing bassline, and also on-beat claps.

On another note, i was in a record shop yesterday and saw DHHD - Indication labelled as 'trance', which shows how negligent the UK scene is to what is happening in Europe right now.

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Originally Posted by Chazbloke

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Originally Posted by Tobe Cypher23

Seems Mzone refers to it as Hardbass on his Industry flyer, I remember all the shit he gave me on this forum when I called NEO.... Hardstyle Fusion/all that Mixmag shite.

:rambo:

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heh...yea, i didnt like his comments aimed towards your night either...

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It's a shame cos I idolized him when I was a kid. He got me into the scene and the tunes he introduced me too led indirectly to me doing a night (or three)

It's a shame he had such a negative view point on the introduction of the word hardstyle and how he directed it at me. Seems to of forgetten his earlier words when designing the industry flyer. :roll:

It's re-enforced my view on only supporting the DJ's who support you.

Pity....



As for the Hardbass thing..I'm not sure there is a need for spliting the hardstyle sound into so many brackets in the UK. It's not established enough yet. I think the word hardstyle was needed at the time as hard trance had been/or has been trying to get established throughout the UK for nearly 10 years...so perhaps change was needed.

Why split the hardstyle sceneeven further when it's only come to the limelight in the last year or so.

HMM people whats goin on at here, don't u know the difference between hardbass and hardstyle!!!!!!! :nono:

To day the sounds of these two styles are close together but there are differences!!!!

If u lissen to the two labels MOH ( master of hardstyle ) and seismic, u will get these differences directly, but when u get spinnin fusion, what style will this be??? ofcouse it is hardstyle, what u will call cheesie hardstyle, i prever hardstyle whit melody!!!

So the diferences, not only the bass and the melody, but think of vocals and percussion, the kick and the snare and hihats

there are many differences, but some of them are close to hardstyle, hardcore, hardtrance, techno and hardhouse.......

IN THESE TIME OF CLUBBIN, DJ'S CAN MAKE A NICE TRIP TO THESE STYLES, ON THESE DAY'S THESE STYLE ARE SO CLOSE TOGHETER THAT IT WILL BE A WASTE IF U DON'T MAKE A TRIP LIKE THIS

**** genres etc, dont waste time tryin too catogorise everything.

Takes the fun out of it, kinda like having all ur records in alphabetical order, wheres the fun when u can just ave em in sorta of a decent order and be surprised or happy when u pull a tune out uve not playin in a while.

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

HMM people whats goin on at here, don't u know the difference between hardbass and hardstyle!!!!!!! :nono:

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Sorry man, but looking at your reply...I think you do neither.... :roll:

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

If u lissen to the two labels MOH ( master of hardstyle ) and seismic,

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You must be confused with Masters of Hardcore and as the name says....that's hardcore.

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

So the diferences, not only the bass and the melody, but think of vocals and percussion, the kick and the snare and hihats

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Yeah, but what differences are there in the bass, melody, etc.???

I don't think there's a style called hardbass. Hardbass is just a Hardstyle/Oldschool/Hardcore party in Holland. Nothing more....

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Originally Posted by TMP

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

HMM people whats goin on at here, don't u know the difference between hardbass and hardstyle!!!!!!! :nono:

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Sorry man, but looking at your reply...I think you do neither.... :roll:

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

If u lissen to the two labels MOH ( master of hardstyle ) and seismic,

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You must be confused with Masters of Hardcore and as the name says....that's hardcore.

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

So the diferences, not only the bass and the melody, but think of vocals and percussion, the kick and the snare and hihats

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Yeah, but what differences are there in the bass, melody, etc.???

I don't think there's a style called hardbass. Hardbass is just a Hardstyle/Oldschool/Hardcore party in Holland. Nothing more....

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Realy nice to quote me dude, but when u quote me and make some judgements about me, trie to keep the true above!!!!

MOH = also Masters of Hardstyle (the green, white and red cover dude!!!, one of the best italian hardstyle records!!!!

Seismic records = the best dutch hardbass label

Fusion records = a great label whit good melody which u prever to call it like "cheesie"

So now u may juge me about the words ah spinn around

the true about hardbass is that it's not only cheesie hardstyle!!! It's a mix of hardbass sounds which complete the hardbass fellin..... if u wanna know what the hardbass fellin is....... go to hardbass events!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HARDBASS IS A STYLE
STYLES OF ALL HARD"MUSIC"
SO LIKE I SAID, MAKE SOME DAY A NICE TRIP TO ALL HARD-STYLES AND U WILL DICOVER THE HARDBASS FELLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TMP check out www.b2sevents.nl

so maybe you will get some day hardbass tickets!!!

Ive got loads of stuff on Fusion and i wouldnt say its cheesey its just more part orientated hardstyle ;)

that should say Party hardstyle ;)

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

Realy nice to quote me dude, but when u quote me and make some judgements about me, trie to keep the true above!!!!

MOH = also Masters of Hardstyle (the green, white and red cover dude!!!, one of the best italian hardstyle records!!!!

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My bad, but why don't you just say Italian Masters of Hardstyle instead of MOH...??? cause MOH still stands in Holland for Masters of Hardcore, alright?

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

Seismic records = the best dutch hardbass label

Fusion records = a great label whit good melody which u prever to call it like "cheesie"

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Yeah I know what Seismic is....duh....and I never said Fusion was cheesy! I love Sound of The Beast and Disappearance(Misdome Remix)!! :cool:

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Originally Posted by mister obedaih

the true about hardbass is that it's not only cheesie hardstyle!!! It's a mix of hardbass sounds which complete the hardbass fellin..... if u wanna know what the hardbass fellin is....... go to hardbass events!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I thought this topic was about the STYLE Hardbass (which does not exist) and not about the FEELING Hardbass!

And don't go telling me about visiting parties cause I'm from Holland too remember??? :twisted: I probably visited more parties then you....

Hardbass is a style name being used by some! Also called New Style... but look at the tracks...

http://www.derschwede.homelinux.com/newstyle.php

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Originally Posted by Tom @ Religion

Hardbass is a style name being used by some! Also called New Style... but look at the tracks...

http://www.derschwede.homelinux.com/newstyle.php

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Newstyle is quite possibly the worst genre name i have ever heard.

Hardstyle is a very broad term but WHO CARES! Pigeon-holing to the Nth degree is the most pointless thing. Beyond differentiating hardstyle from hardhouse, what more needs to be done, and what is the aim of labelling?

Hardbass is a far better name than hardstyle, I wish that it had been used from the beginning instead. Differentiating between two kinds of hardstyle will be extremely hard unless clear guidelines are set, but I can sort of see the need.

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Originally Posted by Voorheez

Differentiating between two kinds of hardstyle will be extremely hard unless clear guidelines are set

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Thats why I always get irritated by people who try to label sorts of music...and especially sorts of hardstyle.... :nono:

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Originally Posted by Voorheez

Hardbass is a far better name than hardstyle, I wish that it had been used from the beginning instead. Differentiating between two kinds of hardstyle will be extremely hard unless clear guidelines are set, but I can sort of see the need.

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When is there a need to differentiate? What purpose does it serve? The way i see it, you can say DJ Isaac is cheesy hardstyle and luna is techy hardstyle without the need to create new genres.

In saying one is cheesy and one is techy you have already differentiated between them.

I think the need arises to define two seperate genres because of the difference between say the Italian Masters kind of stuff (raw, techy, extremely hard stuff) and the fun, bouncy kind. They are quite far apart in sound.

Just call it 'Bass-Style' eh? :lol:

dunno about you but I like genres - you just have to keep it to something that has a decent number of artists, geographically localised and a very distinctive sound... and then make sure you always make the parent genre clear... like London Acid Techno.

Hardstyle, Hardbass etc.. could be anything would it not be just simpler to say Hard Dutch Trance and cut the rest of the rubbish?

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Originally Posted by jonnyspeed

Hardstyle, Hardbass etc.. could be anything would it not be just simpler to say Hard Dutch Trance and cut the rest of the rubbish?

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Not really because its not all Dutch and id asscoiate it with the Italians just as much as the dutch

And plus there isn't any trance in hardstyle, so you can't call it any form of trance. That was the orginal need to redifine

Dutch hard trance :doh:

It's just hardstyle or hardbass!!!!!

as far as i'm concerned only one major genre has been created recently: hardstyle.

tbh, hardstyle is only a certain form of hard trance that ppl have really focused on. but now (after all the similar tunes) i see hardstyle as meaning non melodic, low bassline hard trance that has the occasional gabba influence.

ok fair play. it's developed into a genre. it deserves to have a genre (within hard trance) to itself.

the first i'd heard of hardbass was gary d.

so automatically i linked hardbass to the german version of hardstlye (which i think gary d is trying to promote???) ie german trance with a more harder bassline.

but then again this was done years ago in certain ways and still called hard trance.

mind you.. quite alot of german producers are now trying to come back and create a german version of hardstyle. and that perhaps is my definition of hardbass. but hardbass should not be labelled until more producers follow this route. which i know they will.

so that's my shaky definition at the mo: german hardstyle.

someone prove me otherwise.

but why is all this not hard trance??????????????????????????

things are splitting so much recently. it's shit. MIND you - you HAVE to keep on top of this stuff. you can't help the way ppl are. either accept it or disappear up your own arse - that's my philosophy.

genre's are going to happen. like it or lump it.

untill something completely new happens we're all going to keep splitting.

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Originally Posted by MARK EG

but why is all this not hard trance??????????????????????????

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I believe the word trance means "hypnosis" and i believe that trance producers are trying to put the lissners into a dreamsituation whit hight atmosphers and i believe that whit hardtrance is that the atmospher is still there only the sound is harder the same as the drum&bass, whit hardstyle or hardbass i can't hear the atmospher that trance has, so it's a style of his own......... there isn't "trance" in hardstyle or hardbass, yet

Still i think that there is a difference between hardstyle and hardbass, it's diffycould to explain, cause the difference is small

i can say if u lissen to the "sound of hardbass" from da tekno warriors and to "dhhd" from luna meets trilok & chiren, then u can hear differences between the styles, it's small but still...........

The word "german hardstyle"..... i don't think that the germans where the first to make the name hardbass... i don't know who is that bastard, but when u find that man...... he can explane if there is a difference between hardstyle and hardbass....... maybe it is gary d... who's gonna say??????

NEway my opinion is hardstyle or hardbass is not trance or hardtrance :nono:

its more dutch influence i think m8! slowed down gabba lol