put some light on the term "offbeat"

[dirty_bass]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

But it`s all dead in the water now innit

It was always the neglected bastard baby of techno anyway.

I remember a few years ago people moaning at me about "ooh, but you can`t beat 4 to the floor", now those same people are banging out the off beat techno like they just discovered it.

Hardly a fresh sound.

When will we be able to just mix it all up again, rather than having to commit to one specific sub sub genre of a sub genre.

Techno is techno, it`s supposed to be a free creative music the defies definition.

It`s just
Techno

I love it, but it had it`s time, you can only punt out off kilter kick rythms and ambient sounds for a while before people want music again.

[gunjack]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

But it`s all dead in the water now innit

well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...

[dirty_bass]

well the dutch are still kinda just catching on lol but you are absulutely right.... i have been doung the whole double up kick thing for a while, my buddy matt took it even further though with that "unfinished bussiness" track on ppruk64, real half time feal without losing the momentum needed in a track like that. think the key is the interaction, the talking of the kick with another drum that leaves alot of double beat tracks feeling half done...

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

[Little_Fella!]

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

I remember struggling with the broken beat and double kick side of things and then it clicking in to place and me actually prefering the change and the extra scope for rhythm changes that it gives you as a producer... lovely!!!

[Little_Fella!]

Oh.. and as a listener I really need that 'Oscar Mulero' hit when I'm out n about, or I start to get bored after a while of just 4x4 hammering...

[RDR]

well, I always found your broken beat techno to be a good example of how to carry it out properly. Rather than making a typical techno beat and then shifting the kick, you reworked the groove to play against the new kick arrangement.
More of a hip hop mentality, but with techno abstraction.
I`d love to see that kind of thing get fully accepted into techno.

The good side of the hip-hop mentality that is...

not the ho's and bling, fun while it lasted, but not my cuppa these days..

as for broken techno.. bleep techno.. wonky techno.

by its very nature it seeks not to conform. hence the confusion. besides if its good music who gives a crap.

[SlavikSvensk]

A bit late for all this anyway isn`t it, broken beat techno was big about 3-4 years ago, especially the spanish and birmingham sound.

you're right! but you may not realize just how right you are...

...this thread is actually from 2004...

seriously...look at page 1!

2004 was groundbreaking though, in more ways than one

...and the turn this conversation has taken reminds me of 2005, at least... :;