Pioneer CDJ vs Denon DN-S

[MARK ANXIOUS]

well i've been in this biz a long time eh hehehe and i would say, the mian thing is to go with what is standard in clubs.. (because who cares how good you are at home on your own set up if you can't cut it in a club) hehe..

it's cdj's all the way mate.. and djm800 if you have the cash ;)

[SlimboyPhatt]

well i've been in this biz a long time eh hehehe and i would say, the mian thing is to go with what is standard in clubs.. (because who cares how good you are at home on your own set up if you can't cut it in a club) hehe..

it's cdj's all the way mate.. and djm800 if you have the cash ;)

So you are really telling me to get a DJM800 over an Allen & Heath Xone:92 ????

I really hope not. I can understand the suggestion of CDJ's, but Mark I thought you were a big advocate of the Xone 92.

[DJCraig Ryan]

I haven't played on the Denons, so i cant comment there. But i have just got a pair of CDJs and they are class! Well worth the coin.

Also to what mark said, i havent got the cash for the DJM 800, so i will happily stick with my DJM600 lol.

[MARK ANXIOUS]

So you are really telling me to get a DJM800 over an Allen & Heath Xone:92 ????

I really hope not. I can understand the suggestion of CDJ's, but Mark I thought you were a big advocate of the Xone 92.

i used to be. until 6 months after i actually bought one. the thing just falls apart, i'm forever having problems with the faders, crackles etc. the filter's stopped working after about a year. i actually sent the thing for repair at a qualified a+h place and ever since then, it's got progressively worse.

i remember when i first saw the a+e.. it was seriously great - the filter's are what made it for me - i nice smooth way of mixing. more and more clubs started to use them and i thought why not? but now, a few years on and less and less clubs use them and i don't see the point of keeping it anymore. the filter's on the djm800 are just as good and the fx section of the mixer is well worth it - especially cause if you learn that, you're gonna have it avaiable on the m600 and 500 (this will be 90% of clubs imo)... oh and i don't think i've seen a broken djm800 yet in a club...

another gripe about the a+h is the eq. you have to really know the bass cut off point for each style you're mixing (it tends to cut off too much in the mid range too at the lowest point), whereas with the pioneer, the bottom point is a good basis for most music...

so yeah, i'll stick by what i've learnt over the years - buy equipment that's widely available at most clubs. this way, you shine at more places, rather than at those that have what you've got...

either that or get there 6 hours before your set and get your own equipment ready - WEDDING DJ styley!!! LOL

[MARK ANXIOUS]

PS Don't let this put you off buying the cdj's (i think you'll find this these days with everything) but why oh why are more and more cdj-1000's breaking on me in clubs??? two broke down on me this weekend.. bahhhhh, they don't make them like god old technics 1210's anymore eh...

[SlimboyPhatt]

PS Don't let this put you off buying the cdj's (i think you'll find this these days with everything) but why oh why are more and more cdj-1000's breaking on me in clubs??? two broke down on me this weekend.. bahhhhh, they don't make them like god old technics 1210's anymore eh...

Oh you had to go and make my decision twice as hard by putting me of the xone too. Did you get the xone92 in the end or just had the 64? I had a 64, and the only prob i had was that the nuts would come loose on the filters.

Yeah, I think im gonna get some second hand CDJ 1000's. Does it really make a diference between MK2 / MK3?? the thing is the new CDJ400, has direct usb connectivity, which makes me wonder if they're about to bring out a 1000 mk4 ????????????

[MARK ANXIOUS]

Oh you had to go and make my decision twice as hard by putting me of the xone too. Did you get the xone92 in the end or just had the 64? I had a 64, and the only prob i had was that the nuts would come loose on the filters.

Yeah, I think im gonna get some second hand CDJ 1000's. Does it really make a diference between MK2 / MK3?? the thing is the new CDJ400, has direct usb connectivity, which makes me wonder if they're about to bring out a 1000 mk4 ????????????

unfortunately i got the 64. but i've played on the 92's at quite a few clubs (sure it's a little more sturdy) and i still stick by my thoughts that my next mixer will be a m800 purely because pioneer seems to be pretty industry standard in most of the clubs i play.

also, yeah i've been on the pionner forums recently and ppl do seems to be wanting the features of the 400 in the 1000. it'll happen i think, but no real word on the street it seems about this so don't know how long we're gonna have to wait.

[TechMouse]

PS Don't let this put you off buying the cdj's (i think you'll find this these days with everything) but why oh why are more and more cdj-1000's breaking on me in clubs??? two broke down on me this weekend.. bahhhhh, they don't make them like god old technics 1210's anymore eh...

Technics Decks are some of the most breathtakingly simple devices you will ever use in your life.

They start, they stop, they go faster and slower, they run at two different speeds. THAT'S ABOUT IT. They are also built like tanks.

Compare and contrast that with the feature set of your average CD deck, (more like a microcomputer than anything else), alongside the fact that it's a laser tracking microscopic dimples on a silver disc rather than a needle running in a groove on a vinyl, and you can imagine how they're much more prone to breaking.

Oh and they cost twice as much and don't keep their value. Go figure.

I'm slowly coming to the opinion that CD decks are a waste of time. If you need to mix mp3s alongside vinyl then get Traktor. It does all the same stuff, it lets you plug in VSTs and you can run virtual decks. Once you get past the physical interaction bit it's no problem. In fact, it's probably easier. But if you're a genuine motor skills luddite then get Serato or FS. Cheaper than two CD decks and you don't have to cart loads of CDs around.

If you don't need to mix alongside vinyl get Ableton. I've been mucking around with it for a bit now and once you free yourself from the notion that DJing is all about getting two bits of plastic spinning at the correct relative speed then you open up a whole load of new possibilities such as remixing on the fly, adding your own bits, even working towards something that could genuinely be considered a live PA.

I still love playing on decks by the way. In fact, I just spunked £100 on vinyl and it felt good (see you on Saturday, Microdot :;). I just think that Techno needs to move with the times, otherwise it's not really Techno is it.

[SlimboyPhatt]

Technics Decks are some of the most breathtakingly simple devices you will ever use in your life.

They start, they stop, they go faster and slower, they run at two different speeds. THAT'S ABOUT IT. They are also built like tanks.

Compare and contrast that with the feature set of your average CD deck, (more like a microcomputer than anything else), alongside the fact that it's a laser tracking microscopic dimples on a silver disc rather than a needle running in a groove on a vinyl, and you can imagine how they're much more prone to breaking.

Oh and they cost twice as much and don't keep their value. Go figure.

I'm slowly coming to the opinion that CD decks are a waste of time. If you need to mix mp3s alongside vinyl then get Traktor. It does all the same stuff, it lets you plug in VSTs and you can run virtual decks. Once you get past the physical interaction bit it's no problem. In fact, it's probably easier. But if you're a genuine motor skills luddite then get Serato or FS. Cheaper than two CD decks and you don't have to cart loads of CDs around.

If you don't need to mix alongside vinyl get Ableton. I've been mucking around with it for a bit now and once you free yourself from the notion that DJing is all about getting two bits of plastic spinning at the correct relative speed then you open up a whole load of new possibilities such as remixing on the fly, adding your own bits, even working towards something that could genuinely be considered a live PA.

I still love playing on decks by the way. In fact, I just spunked £100 on vinyl and it felt good (see you on Saturday, Microdot :;). I just think that Techno needs to move with the times, otherwise it's not really Techno is it.

Well I have to agree on some of those points, BUT as Mark stated earlier : If you playing out in clubs, its not quites as simple as just turning up and playing, youd have to get all of your kit ready before, hence CD's will be here fo quite a while (as vinyl still is)

I love vinyl, infact i am part of the KVA (keep vinyl alive) but its just not as viable as it used to be, so time to join the digital era.

[TechMouse]

Well I have to agree on some of those points, BUT as Mark stated earlier : If you playing out in clubs, its not quites as simple as just turning up and playing, youd have to get all of your kit ready before, hence CD's will be here fo quite a while (as vinyl still is)

Is carrying a laptop around that much more of an encumbrance than carrying around a record bag and a large CD wallet?

[DJCraig Ryan]

I love vinyl, infact i am part of the KVA (keep vinyl alive) but its just not as viable as it used to be, so time to join the digital era.

Also, were you are splashing out like £6 a record, you can have 6 mp3s for that at 99p.

[Microdot]

Technics Decks are some of the most breathtakingly simple devices you will ever use in your life.

They start, they stop, they go faster and slower, they run at two different speeds. THAT'S ABOUT IT. They are also built like tanks.

even though they're no longer the best record decks on the market ;)

see ya saturday mate. gonna have a couple of dudes (one's a rapper over to play the fav in leeds) from LA with us getting their first taste the rave scene. should be an eye opener for em.