Cutting Loops From Other Producers Trax

[tekara]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

[p_brane]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

nah mate IMO you should be striving to get your own sound, which isnt gonna come from ripping other peoples records. production for me is a very personal thing, a way to express myself.

mashing loads of other peoples loops up in a set is one thing, but i really couldnt bring myself to rip anyones stuff, never mind even thinking of releasing it. if your taking someone elses work and adding your own touch that be a remix.

just my thoughts

[rhythmtech]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

a straight loop is a bit of a no-no really BUT mess with it and make it your own and its creative sampling and if you think of sampling as a valid sound source then why not.

it seems to be a taboo to lift a loop from a techno record - but yet a hip hop or soul or funk record is perfectly acceptable???

right now i can list you out at least 20 releases off the top of my head that have done this.. and a 100 more whos loops i recognize from sample cds.

on the flip-side some people like to make everything from scratch aswell, for my own stuff personally it all depends on the project.

at the end of the day its all about what you make of it, and as long as you're not plagerising someones work, then you shouldnt let anyone else tell you otherwise.

[p_brane]

it seems to be a taboo to lift a loop from a techno record - but yet a hip hop or soul or funk record is perfectly acceptable???

cracking point you make there, i see what your saying but sherly sampling within a genre brings about stagnation?

[rhythmtech]

cracking point you make there, i see what your saying but sherly sampling within a genre brings about stagnation?

only if you sample in a way that brings about stagnation.

with modern samplers like kontakt its so easy to sample a techno tune cause you like a certain element and rework it into a breakbeat or a broken glitchy beat.

this is no differant to sampling a kick and snare from a sample cd and writing your own beat with it.

*todays blackout audio was brought to you by the words "creative" and "sampling"*

[acidsaturation]

I don't see a problem. Though I think it's only fair to be good and get permission.

Dance music is about sampling historically, and it certainly is the case that it seems acceptable to get a loop from a hip-hop record or such like and mash it up, but not from another techno record... Why is this?

Yeh you should strive for your own sound, but it's always fun to build on what other people do... To be fair, I almost am inclined to (unless I released a track in some commercial manner where this is not possible) to explicitly state this, in some version on a creative commons licence. I can at least hope that by giving more freedom, if someone wanted to build on what I'd done they would respect the looser boundaries instead of breaking tighter ones.

[Jay Pace]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

Well, you can do that - but you're making a remix, or a bootleg.

Nothing wrong with that, dance music is built on it but usually breaks or samples are taken from differnet times or different genres - not contemporary artists from the same genre.

If you're "borrowing" another artists work and making a similar tune out them your just making a remix of their track. Suppose the main point of difference is whether or not you have their permission.

[Microdot]

This thread has raised an interesting thought. Sorry to high jack the thread, but it seems like everyone here is quite okay with grabbing someones loop and playing it in a Live PA.

Im curious though, how do you guys feel about sampling entire loops from other peoples records, then add some effects, using it as a foundation of a track, and then re-releasing
it as your own production? I know the foundation of dance music rests on sampling, but where do you draw the line between straight theft, and using it in a creative manner to
remix this into your own track?

There have been times when I’ve heard a nice tune from someone, really wanted to rip it down into a .wav file and re-import it back into Ableton where I will play with the filters and basically just mess it all up until you cant hear any similarities. Yet the only thing that has stopped me from doing this is the sheer guilt I feel about so-called “stealing” from another producer’s works.

Seems like all the die-hards I know look down on sample CD’s and prefer to create everything from scratch, but im curious how everyone here at BOA feels about this topic.

first and foremost. fcuk what anyone else frowns upon.
make good sounds come out of your speakers and enjoy yourself. the rest of it really doesn't matter.
if someone wants to take issue with the way you perform and/or put together your music, that's their look out.

if you wanna take two big fcukin loops from other people's records and drop em together to make a new track, do so.
there's alot of spastics around who will try to tell you what you can and cannot sample and what are or are not acceptable methods of creating music.
ignore them, they're basically fcuking idiots. if they don't like the way you do your shit, they don't have to listen to it.

[massplanck]

there's alot of spastics around who will try to tell you what you can and cannot sample and what are or are not acceptable methods of creating music.
ignore them, they're basically fcuking idiots.

Here comes my Red Seal vs Player Series bootleg.

I reckon I could make a few quid off it.