interesting hawtin video

[davethedrummer]

well i think all live music is about a level of skill
and the people watching can relate to how good you are when they have something to go on visually as well as musically.
ie: watching someone scratch records well is a lot of fun because you can appreciate how hard it is to do.

with a laptop, the screen is facing the user and creating a barrier between him and the dancefloor at the same time.
also the screen covers any clever stuff he may be doing with his hands
( wanking for example )
so as a live thing for me it doesn't work, it doesn't give you anything to go on in the audience , and the perfect beatmatching can a get a little boring too
i like the odd mistake here and there.
and i like to feel the tension of a dj keeping a mix together.

it's like the difference between playing football and playing playstation.

my ten cents

[...Dave...]

but i bet Richie isn't sat home posting on forums on a Saturday night

[davethedrummer]

but i bet Richie isn't sat home posting on forums on a Saturday night

how do you know i'm at home ?

[stjohn]

beat matching is fun, but its not very hard. you can pretend its hard with really energetic activity and loads of hollywood sh*t, but in the end, all it does is waste time and effort, that, in the right hands could allow for alot more input, dynamics and thought in a set. hawtin is slightly passed it of course, but the odd time i do get to see him, he always kills it. he's a great DJ, and has a knack for slow, energetic and chunky chugging sets.

if hes got that much control why not just play live?

i dont see why having control means he shoud play live? theres few djs that mix like this, and he pretty much pionereed it with his one-off controllers and stuff...

[stjohn]

the odd time i do get to see him, he always kills it. he's a great DJ, and has a knack for slow, energetic and chunky chugging sets.
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i retract that... saw him in Granada, SPain there last wkend... bloody shit. loopy boring bollox

[...Dave...]

how do you know i'm at home ?

how do you know i meant you

:lol:

[davethedrummer]

how do you know i meant you

:lol:

now you're just messing with me right?

[TechMouse]

how do you know i'm at home ?

You heard it here first folks... he looks like he's playing a Live PA, but now you know the truth.

[JamieBall]

how do you know i'm at home ?

Ya see them bushes outside your front room... He's in them.

It's not the wind moving them, he's wanking. Constantly.

[BDC]

well i think all live music is about a level of skill
and the people watching can relate to how good you are when they have something to go on visually as well as musically.
ie: watching someone scratch records well is a lot of fun because you can appreciate how hard it is to do.

with a laptop, the screen is facing the user and creating a barrier between him and the dancefloor at the same time.
also the screen covers any clever stuff he may be doing with his hands
( wanking for example )
so as a live thing for me it doesn't work, it doesn't give you anything to go on in the audience , and the perfect beatmatching can a get a little boring too
i like the odd mistake here and there.
and i like to feel the tension of a dj keeping a mix together.

it's like the difference between playing football and playing playstation.

my ten cents

werd... Traktor is not like having 2 or 4 decks so the margin for error is far less however...traktor is not completely forgiving in performance...if you have a good midi interface...xone 3d or Vestax vci100 (which I love)...you wont find yourself consumed with the laptop screen...but its their beat counter (which is far from accurate) which often mis matches tempos slightly so you have to pay attention to what your doing...or else trainwrecks are VERY Possible...(which in a way helps the performance....as ironic as that sounds)...**** ups even minor ones are frequent, and the amount of manipulation you can do with it is LETHAL.... period...


Now I'm a wax man through and through, went from wax to Final Scratch then eventually dropped the decks altogether....and actually have NEVER touched a CDJ in my life....I like my tools...my interface where I know my eq's my effects...and my old powerbook that I've been using for few years now...."turn the lights down, crack open the door to the dj booth, spark the Blunt, and let "god" in.." as Jay-Z would say.....


To me, its all about how I as a dj can deliver the music in a way that lets me create and perform on the fly instead of being some jukebox DJ. Its made Djing fun for me again, as I was actually tired of the shitty decks and ****ed up mixers at events.... god helps those who help themselves...as Grandma DeCarlo would say (rest her soul).....so I don't mind the extra set up and take down anymore either... :)

[DannyBlack]

i like the odd mistake here and there.
and i like to feel the tension of a dj keeping a mix together.

+100


Couldn't agree more.

[Technologic]

Where's the skill gone?

Computers are takling over the world. It's like Terminator, just a little more diplomatic.

For now anyway.

Maybe things will go full cycle. In years to come when technology has taken the skill out of doing anything, those people who can actally mix two records together using vinyl will be few and far between and be able to bring something different to the party.

Sometimes i wish evolution would just hurry the **** up, like now for eg.

Anyway got a time machine i could borrow?

You won't even know i used it ;)

[drift9]

technology has taken the skill out of doing anything, those people who can actally mix two records together using vinyl will be few and far between

don't get me wrong, i usually prefer seeing actual vinyl being used, but Hawtin has proved since the early 90s that he can mix two records together. then he mixed three. then he added an efx unit. etc etc etc. This is the natural evolution for a guy like him. Could see how he'd want a change and a new challenge after all these years and years.

[Technologic]

don't get me wrong, i usually prefer seeing actual vinyl being used, but Hawtin has proved since the early 90s that he can mix two records together. then he mixed three. then he added an efx unit. etc etc etc. This is the natural evolution for a guy like him. Could see how he'd want a change and a new challenge after all these years and years.

I meant in say, 200 years time, when robots rule the world and humans are nothing but party animals in the underground, syphoning sonic rhythms using the latest file sharing program for pirates, all whilst getting high on some uber designer chemical that warps our minds into obscurity and makes even the most unbarable noise sound like Patsy Kensits wet dream, which (might i add) is just effortlessly strung together using the most awesomest software, with just a click of a button everything is done for you, you don't even have to flick her bean to get her off it's THAT easy, also cosmetics and stuff are so good, Patsy Kensit would look young again, you'd just have to get past knowing she's like 240ish years old.

But anyway, enough of my imagination running a little wild, i agree, natural evolution makes things easier for us, who wanted a hard life anyway?

What's gonna be the next super hard thing that Ritchie does to absolutely amaze everyone and then make it like really easy so even a simpleton can make it sound great (without the uber designer chemical that warps our minds and, well, you know...

[djshiva]

I meant in say, 200 years time, when robots rule the world and humans are nothing but party animals in the underground, syphoning sonic rhythms using the latest file sharing program for pirates, all whilst getting high on some uber designer chemical that warps our minds into obscurity and makes even the most unbarable noise sound like Patsy Kensits wet dream, which (might i add) is just effortlessly strung together using the most awesomest software, with just a click of a button everything is done for you, you don't even have to flick her bean to get her off it's THAT easy, also cosmetics and stuff are so good, Patsy Kensit would look young again, you'd just have to get past knowing she's like 240ish years old.

But anyway, enough of my imagination running a little wild, i agree, natural evolution makes things easier for us, who wanted a hard life anyway?

What's gonna be the next super hard thing that Ritchie does to absolutely amaze everyone and then make it like really easy so even a simpleton can make it sound great (without the uber designer chemical that warps our minds and, well, you know...

ROTFL.

[davethedrummer]

Where's the skill gone?

Maybe things will go full cycle. In years to come when technology has taken the skill out of doing anything, those people who can actually mix two records together using vinyl will be few and far between and be able to bring something different to the party.

that is of course assuming that there Is a future AT ALL

[Technologic]

that is of course assuming that there Is a future AT ALL

Yes, and we all know what they sasy about assumptions don't we?

[DannyBlack]

Yes, and we all know what they sasy about assumptions don't we?

"If assumptions were sausages, hotdogs wouldn't nearly be as gratifying."

[Technologic]

"If assumptions were sausages, hotdogs wouldn't nearly be as gratifying."

Personally I'd rather not be gratified by a hotdog, but if that's the way you roll i won't hold it against you ;)

[DannyBlack]

Personally I'd rather not be gratified by a hotdog, but if that's the way you roll i won't hold it against you ;)

:lol: