technicians vs musicians in the techno world

[morbid]

what are you talking about mate ?
just because you don't like it, don't make it bad.
and I disagree, the Beatport top ten is probably WAY more musically challenging to make, than most techno will ever be, mostly being house and trance, which In my experience are demanding styles because of the extreme amount of competition and the high production quality involving vocalists and complicated melodic structures, this kind of stuff can only be made in decent studios by competent people , no way can idiots throw this kind of stuff together.
and no not any idiot can tweak some knobs program a synth or do any of that stuff
sorry but it's not that easy.
to say that is to totally undermine the history of dance music i.m.o.

sorry bud , but maybe you want to rethink that rather brash statement.

Fair comments

I do think though that the proliferation of non-musicians in recent years has diluted what we listen to to a certain extent

I think the evolution of synthesisers, drum machines and software has facilitated the creation of electronic music by non-musicians who wouldn't know B flat from a council flat

My four year old can play about with the envelope or cutoff in a musical way but I bet she's shit on the violin

[DarkYoung]

Fair comments

I do think though that the proliferation of non-musicians in recent years has diluted what we listen to to a certain extent

I think the evolution of synthesisers, drum machines and software has facilitated the creation of electronic music by non-musicians who wouldn't know B flat from a council flat

My four year old can play about with the envelope or cutoff in a musical way but I bet she's shit on the violin

like your mum's legs

[davethedrummer]

Fair comments

I do think though that the proliferation of non-musicians in recent years has diluted what we listen to to a certain extent

I think the evolution of synthesisers, drum machines and software has facilitated the creation of electronic music by non-musicians who wouldn't know B flat from a council flat

My four year old can play about with the envelope or cutoff in a musical way but I bet she's shit on the violin

I hear you
Yeah there's just a lot more music around these days because it's so "easy" to make and yes that has filled the pot to overflowing. But there have always been people who are good at it and people what aren't and that has nothing to do with musical knowledge.

My mum who is a retired piano teacher always used to say "music is 1% talent and 99% hard work" , and that is as true now as it's always been, in my opinion. Learning software and working out how to make music with computers is a complicated process which requires determination and effort, and often years of hard work to really accomplish something really special.
Yeah you can make a track in 5 mins but it will be crap and it will just sit in the quagmire of crapness with all the other tracks made in 5 minutes
( of which there are so many now, I grant you that. )

I think it was Edward Elgar the british composer who couldn't really write music too well, He was self taught. So he worked with an academic to help him write his orchestrations, similar to the role a producer might play in a studio now don't you think ?

So there it is.