you will shoot me for saying it but....

[fatcollective]

Yeah, i also hate the phrase "Up and coming"

I do think that the way which tracks are made now are affecting the quality of the music to a degree, OK, theres a lot of tracks that are really wicked which were made on software set-ups, but i find it so bloody tedious staring at a screen at a flashy graphics software synth or some kind, id sooner stare at an akai screen and try to make something sound good with a small 32 segmant screen thing :) and i also love farting about with my pulse and its bloody awful interface, rather than a flashy nice looking synth.

I admit that my set-up is mainly software, but i do have some hardware kit which i use to break away from the boringness of screen stiring.

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

[christian wagner]

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

But how easy is it to do that in software and sit back and go "that will do, it sounds ok" ?

If the process was harder and more time consuming, i think that people would put more effort into a track rather than doing one for the sake of it and because they have hundreds of pre-made loops ar their disposal.

Some people dont even get a pre-made loop and chop it up and mess with it, even thats a damm sight better then using plain loops!

I agree with you about melodies and synth arrangements, im not the best person at writing melodies but i do try haha..... (then fail!) :D

[AcidTrash]

Techno went up its own arse a while ago. The moment people started stigmatising tunes with a sense of humour as being hard dance or cheese.

This is why I dont bother coming out anymore. Who the hell wants to listen to 8 hours of glitched loops?

It was the drive for "intelligent techno" that screwed it all up. Feck that shoyte. I spend my weekdays chasing mice round my brain and getting wrinkles working about stuff. If I'm going out for a boogiie I want vacuous stupid predictable silliness I can bounce around to until I think my hearts going to explode.

The last tune I heard that fitted the description was Hotwire by 'is lordship. The first cheerful tune in ages.

[fatcollective]

Techno went up its own arse a while ago. The moment people started stigmatising tunes with a sense of humour as being hard dance or cheese.

This is why I dont bother coming out anymore. Who the hell wants to listen to 8 hours of glitched loops?

It was the drive for "intelligent techno" that screwed it all up. Feck that shoyte. I spend my weekdays chasing mice round my brain and getting wrinkles working about stuff. If I'm going out for a boogiie I want vacuous stupid predictable silliness I can bounce around to until I think my hearts going to explode.

The last tune I heard that fitted the description was Hotwire by 'is lordship. The first cheerful tune in ages.

u dont go to techno nights because your into scouse house ya nerd!! :rockin:

[Little_Fella!]

Techno went up its own arse a while ago. The moment people started stigmatising tunes with a sense of humour as being hard dance or cheese.

I would say 5 years ago at least this is what was going on... Not with everyone but elements of snootiness were around, which was in relation to Paul Cortex' comments there...

We didn't care tho and played all the Acid we had...

What about these babies that came from yourself Henry:

The Pusher, The Pimp & The Panther :rockin:
http://www.discogs.com/release/74820

Viagra Falls :fro:
http://www.discogs.com/release/31661

This Old World is in a Helluva Fix :psy:
http://www.discogs.com/release/56162

Hells bells, moments in time that I will never forget came from these tunes - what was going on in the studio that created these little beauties...?

Can the energy that went in to creating these tracks be harnessed again?

[phantomdj]

What are you after? techno that pushes the boundaries? Not scared to be the pioneer and actually experiment with soundscapes and the frequencies to which we are accustomed? You are right about modern techno all sounding the same. Stupid genre names like tech-house which really means (I make commercial music, but like to pretend I'm techno - the original concept))

I have a few acid techno sets from 1996 - 1998. All have crazy sounds and are experimental. hard tuneage that makes you want to stomp while your body is desperate to move in sync with each new wierd and wonderful sound. True organised chaos.

What happened to those experimental days? All the producers wanted more money and then watered down techno until it was received by a larger audience, thus rendering more income for the producers. The same thing happened in hard trance where they started producing watered down crap just to tap into the commercial market where massive income is to be earned. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that modern trance and techno has turned into a pathetic example of its original heritage.

It's the producers' fault and the listeners. You say things sound the same, yet you go and buy them. You know what I did when Hardcore (industrial) went all frenchcore (cheese), I stopped buying the vinyl. I made a statement with what can hurt an industry. Sure, I am only one person, but if you all made a statement, then things would change.

You produce records that won't offend people. You are scared of making a track that sounds too 'hardcore' for your commercial market, so you produce the same crap that has little invention. It's an embarrassment to the word 'Techno'.

La Peste goes to factories and records the industrial sounds he hears and also records sounds from railway lines and many other strange and diverse practices, he then goes home and manipulates the sounds and is always experimenting. How many techno producers actually get off their arse and do likewise?

I'm sick of listening to people in the street who tell me they like techno and then when I enquire further, I find out they mean some stale music at 125-140bpm with a carbon copy beat and the odd inoffensive loop every now and then.

If you want to try something that is still developing and will blow your mind, then have a click on the links below... The experimental peak of 'techno' and still pushing the boundaries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MMMhoMFs7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAjZhI9Iow0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4GFkpKbvZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJZdjUDd8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKOGnXf1A6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyNQiuBKBYQ

[113]

In my opinion (and some of my friends), many DJs in the electronic scene are a bit too much in love with the form and are forgetting about the content, THE SUBSTANCE, the vibe, the spirit, the passion. We should use music to transport emotions. A good party night can be a cathartic journey through all emotional states and should be a healing experience. Thats what we working for.
Its all about expressing and evoking personal freedom, CELEBRATING LIFE!

[dirty_bass]

i dont think software is the issue, i just think a lot more thought needs to go into production these days, because it is easy to get a beat and a perc loop and a bassline rolling together, its the synth arramgements and melodies within the tracks that are missing, so its all about working harder and trying stuff out of the comfort zone.

Wow.
I was saying that about 2 years ago in this place, and got shot down for it.
Funny how times change.

Part of the problem to me is patience.
No one has any, any more.
People get a release, think they`ve made it, and then jam out the tracks, like a machine gun. And distributers will jump on any name they think is vaguely hot, as they are desperate for sales. so you see people appear, ram out loads of similar shit, then dissapear only for someone just the same to do the same.
There`s little personality going into it.
No thought going into it, just anything will do as long as you can mix with it.
If it`s a lazy production that does sod all, who cares, just mix another two tracks over it when you are on the decks.

What happened to those tunes that are still in your head when you get home?
those "what the **** was that??" moments, that make you duck for cover, or jump like a loon.

The way techno has gone, pretty much made me decide to stop releasing and producing for anything but live pa, until recently when I got a new wind.
the market was just full of nothing tracks for DJ`s, and I simply didn`t think I could contribute anything to that, not anything that I could genuinly feel good about producing myself.

I`ve finally got myself to a financially comfortable point, where I can continue to do just what the **** I want now, and experiment like crazy, without worrying about sales, and so I will be.

and I`m finding other people who are on the same tip now, hopefully I`ll be releasing their stuff, as no one else seems to want to risk it, more`s the pity.

More musicians, and less DJ`s is what we need.