you will shoot me for saying it but....

[nihilist]

here what your saying si, but for every person that wants old style acid there are more saying that sounds old style we want new sounds!

[the_psychologist]

I think that music needs to be seen as "cool" to attract more people to the fray, both listeners and producers. How many times do you hear ANY acid classics played out? I mean anything from the early/mid 90s American, German, UK scenes? I have gone back to being in love with this music, but I also have the luxury of owning a huge amount of it. Most people just don't know what they missed, and they have no way of hearing it. If no one is playing it, few people know about it. The classic sound needs to be hammered back into the collective consciousness to hopefully sow the seeds again for more music that draws on it for inspiration.

Personally, I have never seen Techno as having the same lifespan as music with a Trance structure. In all my years of loving dance music, I have never just whacked an 8 minute loopy Techno track on as listening music. That sort of music is about being in the mix, which will always limit it. We needs tracks that have a story and all that cliched bullshit.

I'll probably get slagged for this, but the only new music I find exciting is the stuff on labels like Cocoon, Border Community, Traum, etc.. BC especially has blown me away with many tracks from young producers who seem to have decided to ignore genre traps and just mash all influences together in a very intelligent way. Check out James Holden, Minilogue, Petter, Extrawelt, etc.. Maybe not music to gurn to, but it at least shows that it's still quite possible to be original and meaningful. And funny how recognition just followed for them as a result of doing music with integrity.

Rambleramble

[Athar]

Most people just don't know what they missed, and they have no way of hearing it. If no one is playing it, few people know about it. The classic sound needs to be hammered back into the collective consciousness to hopefully sow the seeds again for more music that draws on it for inspiration.

Exacly, every year we have less and less people who remember old school records. They just leave from music indriusty or they stop producing music.
I not mean only they can get us for new inspiration or make techno music better now, but i think they can make a track by tools with cant used 15 years ago because this tools didnt exist yet.
Why just not use the simple old idea and make a tune by using modern tools for making the music ?
How many of us remember old acid records from 1990 to 1994 ?
I quess not too many but i believe here on boa its the bigest collective producers who still remember this great golden era.
My suggest could be > go back to harthouse label and listen all this old records again, they have everything what we need to get new, great acid tune.

[Si the Sigh]

here what your saying si, but for every person that wants old style acid there are more saying that sounds old style we want new sounds!

So do I mate, but with some old skool love and thought.

Look at the tripe that's coming out on SUF soon, that new one by Chris & Guy.

Now look back deep within your record collection and pull out tracks by these two.

How the fu*k did they go from absolute monster track to this trash?

Fair play, the productions great, but the track sucks.

[the_psychologist]

And as retro as I might sound, I'm not calling people to just remake classic tracks. I just think there was an energy and attention to detail in those old Acid Techno/Trance tunes that is often missing these days, and people who are never exposed to them cannot draw on them for inspiration.

There's a reason i can still whack them on 10 to 15 years later and just listen, you know?

Maybe producers think they will win the battle by putting out more tracks, faster, but it just dilutes everything that makes underground dance music good.

Sorry for flogging this old horse again...

[Si the Sigh]

And as retro as I might sound, I'm not calling people to just remake classic tracks. I just think there was an energy and attention to detail in those old Acid Techno/Trance tunes that is often missing these days, and people who are never exposed to them cannot draw on them for inspiration.

There's a reason i can still whack them on 10 to 15 years later and just listen, you know?

Maybe producers think they will win the battle by putting out more tracks, faster, but it just dilutes everything that makes underground dance music good.

Sorry for flogging this old horse again...

My thoughts exactly.

Too many "throw away tracks" are being hammered out. Where's the quality control gone?

[paulcortex]

well its up to the punters and djs to stop buying this shite and then perhaps the labels might take notice...just because its stay up forever does not mean its going to be a quality release...
Dont get me wrong in the "good ol'days" i would have just seen the stay up forever label and bought it just on that alone, you could be sure it would be a barn storming acid monster, but since the "change" the label seems to have started lowering its sights and releasing anything that guy,chris et all can produce...wheres the rip roaring 303 riffs and the trancy/trippy elements???
if they do indeed want to "stay up forever" they should start broadening the artists they use (like us for instance!! lol) or perhaps they might just become stay at the dole office forever...and we dont want that!!!!

[Little_Fella!]

Too many "throw away tracks" are being hammered out. Where's the quality control gone?

Quality control is all down to who's in charge of the Quality Control...

So... Who is in charge of the Quality Control