you will shoot me for saying it but....

[dirty_bass]

The music should be full of emotion, whatever emotion that may be, it should be something more than the producers need to make a tune and get a release out.
If there is feeling in the music, then people will respond to it.
Endless cold loops made for DJ`s that say nothing to nobody except the man in the booth do nothing to evoke a sense of wonder/exitement/or euphoria in the listener.

[paulcortex]

Endless cold loops made for DJ`s that say nothing to nobody except the man in the booth do nothing to evoke a sense of wonder/exitement/or euphoria in the listener.

... i guess technology has made it all too easy to allow anyone produce loops.

...thats why the old analogue kit was so good...you had to work like **** to get a good sound and you needed a degree in advanced mathematics to get the old sequencers to work.(especially the tb 303 sequencer!!!)...also the cost of synths and computers was incredible then...so most people couldnt afford to make music and those that did...did it with passion....thats where todays cheap laptops and software packages have stepped in...and the result...anyone can make loops and anyone seems to be releasing this crap...technology is killing techno i guess!

im so glad i kept my hardware kit...even though i do love a bit of audiorealism bassline here and there ;)

[the_psychologist]

Hehe... ABL2 really wails when you set it up right.

And yeah, maybe the emotion is what's missing. I really love that cerebral, sometimes angry, sometimes melancholic music that we used to get so much in older Acid. I'm not really into pisstakes in most cases. I think all artists should try to elevate standards wherever possible.

So I think I'm going to stat slapping together some classic label mixes. I just did one of Acid Phase stuff on Radar. Will post it up soon.

[theledge]

erm not sure what brought all this on, i was only throwing a couple of ideas around.

You are completely missing the point.

At NO stage does having accessible technology make the quality of the music go down. Where does it say that people enjoy making crap quality music, and what on earth makes people think that everything will get WORSE?

Well, it's reasonable to suggest it's going to have an effect, isn't it? As it happens you've got the wrong end of the stick here - I'm a firm believer in internet distribution and computer based production - and I think it is the future of techno not to mention music in general. I think in time it will make it BETTER, not worse - it might just take a bit of a transitional phase which is what I think we are starting to go through now. Surely talking about this and understanding it will help us all, yourself included, to make the most of it quickly

Perhaps I could have made that a bit clearer mind. ;)

Where does it say that people enjoy making crap quality music,

Well people don't enjoy making crap music but since when did an artist's judgement about his own work have anything to do with how good it really is? At least with the distributor/label model, for all it's faults, there was an element of outside quality control

Its too easy to make music? No it isnt, the fundamentals of music didnt change overnight you know.

Clearly not, I didn't suggest otherwise

In one respect there are many many many SHITE music writers out there, but the digital revolution gives people HOPE, it opens doors that were closed. And its ALWAYS the young who create and shape trends, rather than the OG's attempting to hang onto markets they created that no longer work.

now you're talking. the music industry, of which techno is sadly a part, is a corrupt, outdated schema which has no place in today's society let alone that of the future.

i'm well up for anything which shakes up the comfortable status quo. as ive already tried to suggest in this thread i'm pretty positive about the future of techno and digital distribution and production is one of the reasons why

[dirty_bass]

... i guess technology has made it all too easy to allow anyone produce loops.

...thats why the old analogue kit was so good...you had to work like **** to get a good sound and you needed a degree in advanced mathematics to get the old sequencers to work.(especially the tb 303 sequencer!!!)...also the cost of synths and computers was incredible then...so most people couldnt afford to make music and those that did...did it with passion....thats where todays cheap laptops and software packages have stepped in...and the result...anyone can make loops and anyone seems to be releasing this crap...technology is killing techno i guess!

im so glad i kept my hardware kit...even though i do love a bit of audiorealism bassline here and there ;)

You can`t blame bad music on the tools.
That`s almost as bad as the fans who abandoned bob dillon because he went electric.
It`s the bad musicians who are to blame, and they would be making crap wether it was an akai, a 909, 2 juno`s and a 101, or a laptop.
There has always been bad music.
The problem is bigger than something that simple.

During the analog days there was plenty of terrible music made by rich kids with all the kit.
The only problem is the buyers lack of standards, in allowing bad music to perpetuate.

[Little_Fella!]

Oh, and the apathy thing is real across ALL areas of life right now. Here in the USA, people have apparently decided that their TVs are large enough that they don't need to pay attention to our horribly corrupt government. We're just happy to see the latest Let's Make Some Twat A Celebrity - SEE? It Could Happen To You!! drivel. If there's no rebellious spirit left, then art suffers as a result. People are docile cows now, so their modes of expression have no real passion and creativity. Their output is the equivalent of a cow's moo.

I've booted my Idiot Lantern out of my room... shitey thing

I pop next door to Davidoff's to watch 'Never Mind the Buzzcocks' mind... :briggin:

[Little_Fella!]

Too many "throw away tracks" are being hammered out. Where's the quality control gone?

Quality control is all down to who's in charge of the Quality Control...

So... Who is in charge of the Quality Control

[Adey]

where's all the GOOD tunes gone?
at the moment i've got a bag full of mediocre stuff , stuff thats good to mix , tracks that have nice grooves etc
but nothing at all close to the music we had 4/5 years ago
and i don't really mean acid at all
i mean techno , all kinds , marco bailey , luke slater , maro picotto , big tracks
anthemic maybe , cheesy yes sure , but they were gems and when you played them the room went off.

i mean some of the techno i hear now is ok maybe for the uk , but elsewhere it just sucks , it's to tribal , too washing machiney with no substantial idea to lift it up and to make people think wow what was that?

to be honest there's way more in the way of real new ideas in the minimal and electro music i'm hearing now than in the kind of techno i have been playing.

and i'm thinking.....this can't be it.....can it!

we need TUNES , real jump up raving out of you head anthems , not more heads down , tribal washing machine grooves or cut up hip hop unintelligable vocal mish mashes.

a spot of melody , an acid line , but a concept , and a strong original one ,
thats what rocks the dancefloor evrywhere!

i reckon it's time to sit down and think , where is this trac going to go???.....before you even switch the studio on.

we ....i ...need it please talented people let's do this thing right !

now load that second barrel and aim at my head


booom!

FINALLY! I think I'll save this post.

Welcome to the future Henry...

[DannyBlack]

im actually nervous about releasing stuff, because there are so many bloody critics out there.... no, critic isnt the right word.. techno snobs. so in a sense Mr. Drummer has a point, techno at the moment is throwing out some right turds, because people (not everyone, cos there are some real gems) are playing it really safe.

[dirrrti]

Hi

It's the first time I write here, excuse me if my english is not very well, I'm from Barcelona and I didn't learn very much about this language at any school.

Mr. Cullen:

I like to see you opening that kind of thread, but at the same time I think you are a little bit involved too in this techno decadence. I tell it to you cause I admire your work, for me you' re THE TECHNO PRODUCER, as it sounds, and I think you still doing great tracks but I also think that in general there are not so good as it was some years ago....

In fact, I never was specially interested in techno music until I started to listen, about 3 years ago, the music that you and your pals do (specially from late 90's to nowadays), to the point that some months ago I' ll started to buy acidous and not so acidous but hard and crazy techno vinyls for mixing.

For example, I think the "atomicalienwhathe****itsays" track in Hydro 36 is great but, for me, is the only one really intersting track that you' ve realesed in this label since number 28, whose both sides are amazing. From your recent tunes I think Arpeggiator, Jack Me and the 4th Dimension remix are good so, and, overall, Hotwire (masterpiece)..... The question is what happened with the rage and energy that was in tunes from the last 90's / first 00's like Hydraulix 9 b side (the guilty of my addiction), SUF 41, 51 & 69 (both sides of them), COSHH 3 (both sides too), Mosquito' s Tweeter, Stretford Wives, BOA 10, the Acid Disco and Break The System remixes or Cradle Cap???? All of them different, all of them incredible and unique music pieces....I' ve said you still doing good tunes but they aren't so original, audacious and variated as before... Why??

[xes]

He there dirrrti,welcome to blackout :) Don't worry about your english not being perfect,it's probably better than some of the English born and bread posters

[pat_mcgerkin]

He there dirrrti,welcome to blackout :) Don't worry about your english not being perfect,it's probably better than some of the English born and BREAD posters

Case in point :P

Or is that why refer to it as having a bun in the oven?

Oh, and welcome dirrrti.

[djfilthmonger]

I agree with the fact there was great choons around the time of 2001,2002,2003... listen to adam beyer sets and umek live @i love techno, great songs in these mixs,
but i still think there lots of good choons coming out maybe not the same as they were, but greatly produced, maybe not as catchy but come on,
i have listened to loves of gems comin out recently all across the board , im very picky when buying records, ill only get and play what i really like, and my record collection has grow with favs over the last 2 years, im more intreasted in the new stuff than tryin to build a collection of classics,

[squidfanny]

fair play for saying it, I couldn't agree more. The simple fact is that there is NO LSD in the music. . I guess all the producers are doing coke and ket and making soulless and crap sounding techno and earbleeding shranzz. GOOD LSD = GOOD ACID TECHNO, and it's as simple as that. I remember a few years ago when all my buddies started hitting ket, "this is death to the scene" I thought, and it looks like I was right.. There's no love at the free parties any more, and all the people are well sketchey, with big ego's and bad attitudes. I know that's a big generalisation, but it's true.. Looks like ketamine (or powdered death as I call it) has served it's purpus and killed the party scene. Bring back good LSD and the good music will come back.

[squidfanny]

also, apex records is THE best label at the mo.. keeping it alive man

good show there.......

[dirrrti]

I' m agree with you in almost of what you say, squidfanny. But for me, paradoxically, the best label right now is Getafix, whose vinyls always have references to K, a drug that I hate but seems to inspire great sounds to the people behind this label.

[113]

it's sad what you said squidfanny ... but unfortunatelly true

[fatcollective]

get ya facts straight .....LSD music is psy trance!!!

[dirrrti]

If LSD music is psy trance, why ACID techno is called like this???

I have to say also that there's been a lot of people in LSD and MUSIC many time before the invention of psy trance. Have you ever listened about Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, The Doors, Pink Floyd and so many other people??

LSD it' s a so crazy and complex thing that it's impossible to limitate it to one style of music or anything else.

[ollie303]

get ya facts straight .....LSD music is psy trance!!!

cant handle acid spins me the **** out...
mayb we could all seek inspiration by wearing odd fluorescent clothing in the studio!


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