RA: Month to Month - Analysis of Vinyl and Techno...hmmmm

[rhythmtech]

Weak argument, if you want a big audience, if that's what it's all about, join a ****ing boy band.

^^ THAT is a sad way to think. surely you want your music to get to as wide an audience as possible? or are you missing the good old days of techno elitism?

"hey, heard this fukin awesome tune m8... but dont tell anyone.. it'll be our little secret"

bollox to that..

[massplanck]

"hey, heard this fukin awesome tune m8... but dont tell anyone.. it'll be our little secret"
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[Martin Dust]

^^ THAT is a sad way to think. surely you want your music to get to as wide an audience as possible? or are you missing the good old days of techno elitism?

"hey, heard this fukin awesome tune m8... but dont tell anyone.. it'll be our little secret"

bollox to that..

It's not sad at all and it's nothing to do with elitism or it being secret - please don't project your own trappings of the scene onto me.

Music finds people and you can't be everything to everyone and more to the point 99.9% don't care, so why are you wasting your time and energy evangalising?

If you want to obsess with dragging the general public by the bollocks down the road to Damascus that is Techno - go ahead, talk about it all you want, start a thousand threads about it, go around and around.

Last time I looked this was about music, ideas and being creative, being an artist not a contestant in some kind of popularity contest or seeking public or any kind of approval.

[rhythmtech]

It's not sad at all and it's nothing to do with elitism or it being secret - please don't project your own trappings of the scene onto me.

Music finds people and you can't be everything to everyone and more to the point 99.9% don't care, so why are you wasting your time and energy evangalising?

If you want to obsess with dragging the general public by the bollocks down the road to Damascus that is Techno - go ahead, talk about it all you want, start a thousand threads about it, go around and around.

Last time I looked this was about music, ideas and being creative, being an artist not a contestant in some kind of popularity contest or seeking public or any kind of approval.

who's looking to be popular?

just because i still feel people will like techno, given the means to hear it, doesnt mean im trying so desperatly to be liked (if that was the case i certainly wouldnt be making techno!)

if you wanna be all artistic and "underground" thats your choice.. but dont expect everyone else to have the same low expectations.. some of us actually have a bit of enthusiasm left for getting the music out there and for it to be heard (we've all done the 1 man and his dog gigs.. and i definitly dont wanna go back to doing them)

and if you think 99.9% of people dont care what you're playing them i think its time you searched out some new people.

[Martin Dust]

who's looking to be popular? .

Isn't that what your preaching, you want people to hear it cos you think they will all like it given a chance? It deserves to be heard, well here's the thing, you don't get to decide that.

just because i still feel people will like techno, given the means to hear it, doesnt mean im trying so desperatly to be liked (if that was the case i certainly wouldnt be making techno!)

What are you trying to achieve then?

if you wanna be all artistic and "underground" thats your choice.. but dont expect everyone else to have the same low expectations.. some of us actually have a bit of enthusiasm left for getting the music out there and for it to be heard (we've all done the 1 man and his dog gigs.. and i definitly dont wanna go back to doing them)

Low expectations? Enthusiasm? You surely can't be leveling that BS at me, can you?

and if you think 99.9% of people dont care what you're playing them i think its time you searched out some new people.

Do a quick poll in the street, go and ask "people" - they don't care, they can't even be arsed to ****ing vote let alone give you some feedback on the latest 12". This has sudden shifted from the general public to the audience we/I play to, how did that happen? Stay on target ;)

[rhythmtech]

Isn't that what your preaching, you want people to hear it cos you think they will all like it given a chance? It deserves to be heard, well here's the thing, you don't get to decide that.

no i dont get to decide but by releasing on as many fomatrs as possible i at least make it more accessible for people to decide for themselves.

if you press 1000 of a vinyl, that means (illegal downloads and copies not included) that legally only 1000 people should have that track. we all know that more people will download it so y not release it digitally yourself and possibly recoup some oof the vinyl expenses so that the next release can be done and the one after that.

What are you trying to achieve then?

wanting your music to be heard is totally differant to wanting to be popular?

Low expectations? Enthusiasm? You surely can't be leveling that BS at me, can you?

i just did.

Do a quick poll in the street, go and ask "people" - they don't care, they can't even be arsed to ****ing vote let alone give you some feedback on the latest 12". This has sudden shifted from the general public to the audience we/I play to, how did that happen? Stay on target ;)

like i said, meet some new people.. i know plenty of people that love techno and always ask what a certain track is and where they can get it. i say you can oreder the vinyl online and they dont want to know. cost, shipping etc.. and most people dont have a turntable anyway.

i dont know where you stand on the digi issue but surely making your music more available to a wider audience is a good thing? or have i suddenly stepped into bizzaro world?

[Martin Dust]

if you press 1000 of a vinyl, that means (illegal downloads and copies not included) that legally only 1000 people should have that track. we all know that more people will download it so y not release it digitally yourself and possibly recoup some oof the vinyl expenses so that the next release can be done and the one after that.

If only it was that simple, if you can't sell a 1000 records you shouldn't be pressing that many, and most techno labels recoup very little off downloads.

i just did.

I don't see how you really can and expect me to take it seriously.

like i said, meet some new people.. i know plenty of people that love techno and always ask what a certain track is and where they can get it. i say you can oreder the vinyl online and they dont want to know. cost, shipping etc.. and most people dont have a turntable anyway.

i dont know where you stand on the digi issue but surely making your music more available to a wider audience is a good thing? or have i suddenly stepped into bizzaro world?

What are you on about? Meet some new people.....This isn't about me.

[rhythmtech]

If only it was that simple, if you can't sell a 1000 records you shouldn't be pressing that many, and most techno labels recoup very little off downloads.

by that thinking a lot of the most respected labels should hang up their gloves? and there is money to be made on downloads but limiting yourself to 1 or 2 download sites, like some lables do, isnt going to get you very many sales

I don't see how you really can and expect me to take it seriously.

ok i'll give you that one

What are you on about? Meet some new people.....This isn't about me.

its about all of us and i see it everywhere.. im just back from poland where they knew nearly every track we played out there.. there was actually people singing along (THE HORROR) during davethedrummers set. these werent people that dont give a **** about techno but the majority would much rather buy a download than a vinyl.

im sure in a few years there'll be some new magical medium and we'll all have to readjust again.. its the way of the industry isnt it?