Credit Crunch vs Arrogance of Big Names

[Sunil]

@Sunil: I pretty much agree with you, but dont fully get your statement about promoters should start taking risks,etc. I dont get this. Sorry, but if someone starts to recommend me to take risks, I answer "come on, you dont even know what it means, taking risk." -this is nothing aimed to you Sunil, but more likely generic call.

Well, right now putting on a gig of any sort is a risk, so what I'm suggesting is that in these challenging times, which is essentially gonna be the biggest transition we have experienced in the club scene in a long time, it is important that we come out the other side with the make up of A, B, and C league 'names' having changed a bit. The techno scene has been stagnant in this regard for a long time, even though many new producers have been coming through, deserving of more exposure in the way of gigs. Does it make sense that practically all of the people that can fill a venue are guys that are all pushing 40 or over? (and that's not disrespecting them, many of them should be there without doubt).
I think the problem more often than not, in trying achieve what I'm saying, is that many promoters start too big (either with the size of venue or name), instead of starting smaller and more manageable, building it up more 'organically' for want of a better word.
Sure, "taking risks" is easy for me or anyone else to throw around... but while we're at this stage, and with so many emerging names willing and able to do gigs for not loads of money, maybe it's time to see this reflected in more lineups. The techno scene needs freshening up and this is one of the only ways to do it.

[The_Laughing_Man]

I think the problem more often than not, in trying achieve what I'm saying, is that many promoters start too big (either with the size of venue or name), instead of starting smaller and more manageable, building it up more 'organically' for want of a better word.

Yes I agree.
This is in part due to the instant fix generation though.

You get promoters who try to start too big because they want instant success and huge parties, rather than building a fan base from ground up.
This does cause a lot of stress both for big acts who maybe don`t get paid (or smaller acts) for their work, and causes promoters who maybe intend well to give up hope when really they just didn`t think clearly.

Same with production, too many guys have fruity loops for a year and bang out a tune or start a label thinking they are a pro, rather than actually listening and learning and putting in the time to get to a standard.
Thus we have a billion labels on juno now half of which sound like amateur rubbish and don`t do any favours for the music as a whole.

There seems to be little patience or commitment to hard work a lot of the time in these problems.

[BloodStar]

I think the problem more often than not, in trying achieve what I'm saying, is that many promoters start too big (either with the size of venue or name), instead of starting smaller and more manageable, building it up more 'organically' for want of a better word.
Sure, "taking risks" is easy for me or anyone else to throw around... but while we're at this stage, and with so many emerging names willing and able to do gigs for not loads of money, maybe it's time to see this reflected in more lineups. The techno scene needs freshening up and this is one of the only ways to do it.

Even I agree this would be very refreshing for the scene that old guys start being slowly substituted by new upcoming talents. This could bring new fresh wind to things, but it will take time, tho. People will not start coming to club to hear unknown djs and acts, it will need some support from internet servers and media.

Then we are again on topic of taking risks and donating techno. Why donate it all the time???

One day, It must deffinitelly be succesful as old known techno names cant be gigging forever so no matter when the change comes, it will come, thats for sure. I hope we will not be too old when it comes, hehe.

[DarkYoung]

http://www.youtube.com/v/0dQo0fNaQx0

this is what young people think of your big techno names