adam beyer

[robin m]

like i say, one of the main things that is pushed down people's throats in techno is nostalgia, "It was amazing back in my day"..." oh remember when such and such was still amazing"... out of the scenes im involved in, the majority of techno fans are definately the worst at times for having this strange fixation with clutching onto the past desperately and then getting all shitty and bitter when one of their fave artists refuses to get left behind in 1998 like u say Joe lad

Totally agree with this... surely it's far, far better for all concerned to talk about the good things going on at the moment than bitterly complaining that it's not as good as it used to be. That was then, this is now.

Everyone's always gonna be misty-eyed about the stuff that turned them on to the music in the first place but slating or hating (did anyone honestly say that?? surely not...) someone for taking their sound in a new direction they wanna go in is just plain bollocks.

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written... if Beyer just catered for fanboys rather than making stuff from the heart he'd be selling out. Fair play to the bloke. Change is essential.

[dan the acid man]

Well said, it's always been a no win situation, change and you get people complaining, don't change and you will still have people complaining

Let him do what he wants, if you love it great, if not find something else to listen to and enjoy instead.

[DannyBlack]

i have to say as a producer he has to be one of the best. i went to see him a while back, savage DJ.

check this out http://www.discogs.com/label/Zenit

classy techno.

im really into all the drumcode stuff he did too, it has to be some of the most intelligent techno i have ever heard.

[fac]

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written...

double for this naive statement

[robin m]

double for this naive statement

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

[...Dave...]

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

:) absolutely

[fac]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

[rhythmtech]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

with all due respect m8 you need to come down off your horse. everyone is entitled to do what they do.. i say fu.ck it. if you can make money from music to help you do what you wanna do then so be it.. many people have families and homes. are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

[rhythmtech]

and before you say it im not condoning "selling out" but if someone makes a tune that they know will appeal commercially then y not put it out there and get something back for your work? theres plenty of good music out there that has commercial appeal.. it doesnt have to be only liked by 3 people in brataslavia to make it good.

[Jay Pace]

Everyone should work in a factory to keep their art pure and unsullied by dirty commercialism.

Making music that sells well is the work of the devil.

[fac]

are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

[rhythmtech]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

im not talking about tuning your music at all... but i know from my experience that when i write a tune i write a tune.. it goes where it goes - underground, commercial, whatever..

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

[loopdon]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your path of thought.... what works for Mark Hawkins works for Mark, but it is his(!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuff that was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???

[robin m]

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as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

Fair enough, I'm sure a lot of producers do make music that's going to pay the bills rather than stuff they believe in - that's why I said 'great music' rather than 'successful music'.

I might be completely wrong about this (who knows what's going on in someone else's head) but as far as I can tell most of the music I regard as truly great was made with passion rather than commercial success as the driving force.

Music is fundamentally an artform - it's an insubstantial production of someone's creativity that brings enjoyment to people. It's very easy to lose sight of this though, as its nature is to exist and be distributed as multiple copies of the same piece (rather than as one single entity, such as a painting or something).

Artists in the more traditional sense pay their rent by being able to sell single pieces, in theory at higher and higher prices as they become better & gain more recognition - musical artists have to sell multiple copies of the same piece so are forced to make their money in a different way, by retailing... which comes with a whole different set of rules.

...I don't know if any of this is relevant or even makes sense, I was just typing as I was thinking really, I think it's the way I see it anyway! :whoops: