adam beyer

[robin m]

double for this naive statement

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

[...Dave...]

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

:) absolutely

[fac]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

[rhythmtech]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

with all due respect m8 you need to come down off your horse. everyone is entitled to do what they do.. i say fu.ck it. if you can make money from music to help you do what you wanna do then so be it.. many people have families and homes. are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

[rhythmtech]

and before you say it im not condoning "selling out" but if someone makes a tune that they know will appeal commercially then y not put it out there and get something back for your work? theres plenty of good music out there that has commercial appeal.. it doesnt have to be only liked by 3 people in brataslavia to make it good.

[Jay Pace]

Everyone should work in a factory to keep their art pure and unsullied by dirty commercialism.

Making music that sells well is the work of the devil.

[rhythmtech]

but factories are SO commercial these days, i find.

[fac]

are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

[rhythmtech]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

im not talking about tuning your music at all... but i know from my experience that when i write a tune i write a tune.. it goes where it goes - underground, commercial, whatever..

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

[robin m]

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

Totally agree

I'm not knocking anyone's approach or reasons to write music, just saying that I think that the majority of music that's truly great was made for passion rather than profit.

[audioinjection]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

[fac]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

can i give you a hug? :)

[The Overfiend]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

Exactly
I think what is part of it David, is that we come from the generation of the go getter, bigger is better mindstate, and know that 10 to 20 successful techno records a year still will not give you financial stability. At least in our neck of the woods. I'll continue to make what I like, and drive my SUV and proceed to law school, while Mr. I'mtheHottestDjInTheClubYouNeverHeardOfFollowUpFor AnyJockWithIntegrity Has Their Open Bar wishes and ecstasy pill induced fantasy of being one of the big boys. If it is in your cards then so be it, if not don't knock the ones that made it. They earned it with whatever practices they put into play.

Beyer was & is just that damn good.

[loopdon]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your path of thought.... what works for Mark Hawkins works for Mark, but it is his(!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuff that was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???

[Jay Pace]

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your utterings.... what works for mark works for mark but it is his (!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuffthat was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercial at this point in time???

:cheese::clap:

[fac]

you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.

no, i'm only a fanboy

do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???

i never said that. i didnt say commercially successful stuff was the pure evil. that attitude is quite gay. i only referred to robins statement which is honourable but obviously not the reality nowadays.

[robin m]

:whoops:

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

Fair enough, I'm sure a lot of producers do make music that's going to pay the bills rather than stuff they believe in - that's why I said 'great music' rather than 'successful music'.

I might be completely wrong about this (who knows what's going on in someone else's head) but as far as I can tell most of the music I regard as truly great was made with passion rather than commercial success as the driving force.

Music is fundamentally an artform - it's an insubstantial production of someone's creativity that brings enjoyment to people. It's very easy to lose sight of this though, as its nature is to exist and be distributed as multiple copies of the same piece (rather than as one single entity, such as a painting or something).

Artists in the more traditional sense pay their rent by being able to sell single pieces, in theory at higher and higher prices as they become better & gain more recognition - musical artists have to sell multiple copies of the same piece so are forced to make their money in a different way, by retailing... which comes with a whole different set of rules.

...I don't know if any of this is relevant or even makes sense, I was just typing as I was thinking really, I think it's the way I see it anyway! :whoops: