RA: Month to Month - Analysis of Vinyl and Techno...hmmmm

[TechMouse]

There seem to be a lot of conflicting stances in this thread, and I think the point is getting lost.

I don't think that anybody is saying that label X is stupid not to release digitally because they're missing out on money / fame / kudos / whatever. The argument is that by refusing to release digitally you're essentially flipping off the vast majority majority of people in the world who don't own a set of decks (or even a hi-fi turntable for that matter).

It's a vanishingly small minority of people in the world that even have vinyl listening facilities, much less buy vinyl with any regularity. So are you saying that most people don't deserve to listen to your music? If they really cared they would save up and get some decks?

I dunno, that just seems like an odd attitude to me.

I totally get where Martin is coming from - he makes music for himself; the finished product is an end in of itself; there is no drive for profit - and I totally respect that, but I don't think this is about maximising revenue or compromising ideals. It's about not excluding most people from what you do.

[Martin Dust]

It's a vanishingly small minority of people in the world that even have vinyl listening facilities, much less buy vinyl with any regularity. So are you saying that most people don't deserve to listen to your music? If they really cared they would save up and get some decks?

I dunno, that just seems like an odd attitude to me.

Vinyl sales are up so I don't think that statement stands and it's not me who's saying people don't deserve to hear the music, that's a really odd statement, I don't have duty to do anything other than what I wish. Music has never been a democracy by its very nature and on some projects I do the end product is final, like a painting. You may think it's odd but that's the way we work.

[RDR]

Vinyl sales are up so I don't think that statement stands and it's not me who's saying people don't deserve to hear the music, that's a really odd statement, I don't have duty to do anything other than what I wish. Music has never been a democracy by its very nature and on some projects I do the end product is final, like a painting. You may think it's odd but that's the way we work.

Thats as maybe, but i think techmouse was saying that although vinyl sales are up it really is a drop in the ocean in terms of how many people in the world ACTUALLY can play vinyl.

IMO no-one deserves anything unless they work to get it, unless your talking healthcare we already paid for (but thats another story of course)

[Martin Dust]

Thats as maybe, but i think techmouse was saying that although vinyl sales are up it really is a drop in the ocean in terms of how many people in the world ACTUALLY can play vinyl.

Are you sure about that tho? Are you just guessing?

[RDR]

Are you sure about that tho? Are you just guessing?

consumer sound systems dont include vinyl players any more martin. And thats no guess.

Vinyl sales are up... from WHERE exactly? You'll have to forgive me as i dont have access to that annoyingly expensive book the industry produces each year with all the figures in. And more to the point what FORMAT vinyl are we discussing here? 12" dance tpye vinyl or 7" Promotional vinyl?

I occasionally go and see a music retailler/distro in york and see what goes out of the door.. the majority of the vinyl is 7" rock/pop records. So it is possible that vinyl sales are up, and again i dont know about your experience with your label and sales - i hope its good of course :)

[Martin Dust]

consumer sound systems dont include vinyl players any more martin. And thats no guess.:)

Don't see that matters to be honest, as I mentioned vinyl sales as a whole are up, so it doesn't seem it matter that they no longer included.

Vinyl sales are up... from WHERE exactly? You'll have to forgive me as i dont have access to that annoyingly expensive book the industry produces each year with all the figures in. And more to the point what FORMAT vinyl are we discussing here? 12" dance tpye vinyl or 7" Promotional vinyl?:)

Vinyl sales as a whole are up. I can't speak for other labels or genre but we are doing just as well as we did 3 years ago.

I occasionally go and see a music retailler/distro in york and see what goes out of the door.. the majority of the vinyl is 7" rock/pop records. So it is possible that vinyl sales are up, and again i dont know about your experience with your label and sales - i hope its good of course :)

It's more than possible, it's a fact. Does something have to be wrong to make it right? I don't see why this fact is so hard to accept.

[RDR]

Don't see that matters to be honest, as I mentioned vinyl sales as a whole are up, so it doesn't seem it matter that they no longer included.

It most certainly does, in the light of what we've been discussin here. We're discussing music content delivery to people who want to listen to it.

Vinyl sales as a whole are up.

Thats avoiding my point there bud, as far as im aware with the research ive done that in the round figure includes those 7" i just mentioned.

I can't speak for other labels or genre but we are doing just as well as we did 3 years ago.

Glad to hear it man! That shows all the hard work you put in. :)

It's more than possible, it's a fact. Does something have to be wrong to make it right? I don't see why this fact is so hard to accept.

What do you mean? Sorry i dont understand the context here..

[TechMouse]

I can't speak for other labels or genre but we are doing just as well as we did 3 years ago.

In fairness, Martin, I think that's more a reflection of the variety and quality of the stuff you put out than the health of the industry in general.

[TechMouse]

Vinyl sales are up so I don't think that statement stands

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Non-DJs who buy vinyl purely for home listening is the most minuscule of minorities within a scene populated by minorities.

Music has never been a democracy by its very nature and on some projects I do the end product is final, like a painting. You may think it's odd but that's the way we work.

Perhaps I'm missing something then, because it looks like most of the Dust Science catalogue is available on Juno Download.

[RDR]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Non-DJs who buy vinyl purely for home listening is the most minuscule of minorities within a scene populated by minorities.


Perhaps I'm missing something then, because it looks like most of the Dust Science catalogue is available on Juno Download.

Consider it bought!

[Martin Dust]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Non-DJs who buy vinyl purely for home listening is the most minuscule of minorities within a scene populated by minorities.

Disagree with facts all you want :) Plus we have loads of people on our list who aren't DJ's that buy vinyl, do we have to go around and around?

Perhaps I'm missing something then, because it looks like most of the Dust Science catalogue is available on Juno Download.

DS93 isn't, Dustdubz isn't - like I said, whatever we feel is right for the project.