RA: Month to Month - Analysis of Vinyl and Techno...hmmmm

[Martin Dust]

It most certainly does, in the light of what we've been discussin here. We're discussing music content delivery to people who want to listen to it...

It not relevant at all, like I said vinyl sales are up so more people are listening to more vinyl, fact. I can't tell you if dance/techno is up or down, I'm just stating a fact that proves the above to be not a factor - I mean, how much proof do you need? It hasn't and doesn't make a difference.

The last point was a generalisation that people on BOA seem to focus on the wrong thing and seem to have a desire for something to be wrong so they can moan/justify/fight some cause over and over again on endless threads.

My whole point is that Ro's article is a crock of shit, written to cause a fuss, as RA did last year and the year before, meanwhile our sales our up, we've started doing limited vinyl only and we, as artist are happy with what we are doing and are not concerned with mass consumerism or converting anyone to some great cause, it's all about the music and good music all-ways wins out.

[RDR]

It not relevant at all, like I said vinyl sales are up so more people are listening to more vinyl, fact. I can't tell you if dance/techno is up or down, I'm just stating a fact that proves the above to be not a factor - I mean, how much proof do you need? It hasn't and doesn't make a difference.

The last point was a generalisation that people on BOA seem to focus on the wrong thing and seem to have a desire for something to be wrong so they can moan/justify/fight some cause over and over again on endless threads.

My whole point is that Ro's article is a crock of shit, written to cause a fuss, as RA did last year and the year before, meanwhile our sales our up, we've started doing limited vinyl only and we, as artist are happy with what we are doing and are not concerned with mass consumerism or converting anyone to some great cause, it's all about the music and good music all-ways wins out.

Welll.. on the RA front I completely agree with you, thats the nature of journalism these days it seems. Shock and awe...

or bore.

[Sunil]

as artist are happy with what we are doing and are not concerned with mass consumerism or converting anyone to some great cause, it's all about the music and good music all-ways wins out.

Take the mass consumerism part out for a minute though, that's irrelevant here and we all know it. Of course you set out to convert people in the scene to the 'cause' when you started the label, but that's a few years ago now.. you've overcome that hurdle, so it's not an issue for you anymore. It is for other newer labels though.

I'm with you on most things you've said, but I think you should weigh up your situation against other people's before laying in too much with the fighting spirit ;)

Anyway, I've just started a label myself.. and like some of the people mentioned in the RA article, digital has not been any type of priority for me. This said, a lot of people have asked me and shown a desire to buy releases digitally - so once I fill all those stupid forms out and get IRSC codes etc. I'm going to do it digitally too. The reason is because people have asked, and because I think it's more fair for the artists involved too, to make their music more available. Maybe it won't bring in much money but for this particular project I don't feel I should be too precious about not doing it.

I'm not sure what I think of the RA article; it does pose one or two relevant questions, but y'know, so what? People start record labels because they love vinyl and want to go the whole way - why vinyl lovers and real record labels are being made out to be kind of odd for not having an interest in digital is a bit much sometimes. A record label is a record label, there is only one type really. If that's your dream, then the other options don't really figure. This said, I do understand producers' need to want to have their music heard one way or the other; but I still think the number one aim of most labels or producers, should be to get a record out - it still counts for an awful lot more.

[Martin Dust]

Take the mass consumerism part out for a minute though, that's irrelevant here and we all know it. Of course you set out to convert people in the scene to the 'cause' when you started the label, but that's a few years ago now.. you've overcome that hurdle, so it's not an issue for you anymore. It is for other newer labels though.

I'm with you on most things you've said, but I think you should weigh up your situation against other people's before laying in too much with the fighting spirit ;)

I'm not really attacking anyone, just speaking my mind. I didn't set out to convert anyone to anything or any cause whatsoever - you're either into it or not and I have no influence over what other people decide, project all you want but you'll still be wrong ;)

Consumerism is a state of mind so you can't just say it's not relevant not when people on the threads have been stating clearly they think it's wrong to not do digital and music has a right etc, that's consumerist thinking.

[Sunil]

I'm not really attacking anyone, just speaking my mind. I didn't set out to convert anyone to anything or any cause whatsoever - you're either into it or not and I have no influence over what other people decide, project all you want but you'll still be wrong ;)

Consumerism is a state of mind so you can't just say it's not relevant not when people on the threads have been stating clearly they think it's wrong to not do digital and music has a right etc, that's consumerist thinking.

I didn't say you were attacking anyone; but your situation with your label is entirely different to others. For a start, it would seem that you had a greater investment of money to put into it, and also you have used a lot of already established artists. Don't get me wrong, I think the way Dust Science have approached things has been a fine example of how to run a label right; but to say that you're not interested in converting people over to the vibe of the label is a bit strange for anyone to say. You might not have actively promoted it that way or hassled people about it, but I'm sure you would be happy to think that new people got into this sort of music via your label, or that people in general took an interest in your label full stop, no?

[Martin Dust]

but to say that you're not interested in converting people over to the vibe of the label is a bit strange for anyone to say. You might not have actively promoted it that way or hassled people about it, but I'm sure you would be happy to think that new people got into this sort of music via your label, or that people in general took an interest in your label full stop, no?

I can't be worrying if people get "it" or not Sunil, I go with heart and do what I do, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but either way I know I did it for the right reasons (for me) - it may not make any sense to everyone else but hey...

[Sunil]

I can't be worrying if people get "it" or not Sunil, I go with heart and do what I do, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but either way I know I did it for the right reasons (for me) - it may not make any sense to everyone else but hey...

That's not what I said. Obviously you're no different to many other labels, in that you go with your heart. I'm not saying that you should be worried if people get it or not, but you give the impression as if you don't care if the label attracts new followers or not.

[Martin Dust]

you give the impression as if you don't care if the label attracts new followers or not.

I know I can't force anything, so why worry about it?